Group Suing to Carry Concealed Handguns at NC State Fair (costs, statistics)
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People don't have the right to have guns in my house without my permission....It is the right to bear arms... not the right to bear them all the time, everywhere.
I'm not sure what this has to do with what I posted. The US Constitution doesn't compel you to accept guns in your home.
The police have had more training than your average gun owner.
Not really. They qualify once a year if that, in some jurisdictions every two years. Since the state pays for their ammo and budgets are being cut left and right range time doesn't happen as often as it use to.
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Why is it that so many gun owners seem to just blindly assume that all others who have a CCW are honest, decent, law-abiding, excellent marksmen/women, etc?
It's ridiculous to assume it. You might just as well assume that a fellow CCW holder may be as likely to shoot you as a criminal, given the right situation, because all of them have guns.
Just a thought.
The assumption is valid since the statistics bear that out. For NC around .3% of permit holders had their permits revoked.
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I know several who have extensive mental health problem backgrounds that include anger issues and substance abuse.
And this diagnosis is from a licensed psychologist or other medical professional who has notified a magistrate or judge of these issues so their permit can be revoked?
Not really. They qualify once a year if that, in some jurisdictions every two years. Since the state pays for their ammo and budgets are being cut left and right range time doesn't happen as often as it use to.
The assumption is valid since the statistics bear that out. For NC around .3% of permit holders had their permits revoked.
And this diagnosis is from a licensed psychologist or other medical professional who has notified a magistrate or judge of these issues so their permit can be revoked?
Yes. These diagnoses were from licensed mental health professionals. Or so the diplomas on their walls and/or their employment in rehab clinics would imply.
I'd wager that a good many officers spend a bit of their own money to go shooting now and again. Actually, since I know some, I'll just tell you they do.
But, if it makes you feel better to think all CCW permit holders are better in a crisis and more likely to be mentally sound than your local LEOs have at it.
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NC Agricultural Commissioner Steve Troxler (a Republican, FYI) insists that the no-guns policy remains the same this year as in the past, while another group claims changes to state law regarding concealed handguns made by the General Assembly last year gives them the right to do otherwise and are threatening. What do you think?
Yes. These diagnoses were from licensed mental health professionals. Or so the diplomas on their walls and/or their employment in rehab clinics would imply.
Then they have a duty to report it to their local LEO or magistrate. If the doctors haven't then the issue is not dangerous enough to revoke a permit or weapons.
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But, if it makes you feel better to think all CCW permit holders are better in a crisis and more likely to be mentally sound than your local LEOs have at it.
I don't know if they are better in a crisis or not but the statistics indicate they seem to be more mentally sound and law-abiding than the general population. The police aren't saints either as we've seen recently.
The point is a CCW holder is not some boogeyman that should be feared.
Speaking of boogeymen, who are we afraid of at the State Fair?
I've lived in NC now for 3 years. Never once, regardless of where my travels have taken me, have I felt unsafe. Not once. Not in a parking lot, not at a fair, I have not felt unsafe anywhere! So would i feel 'safer' at the state fair if my date was carrying a weapon? Nope. And I'd feel a lot LESS safe wondering who else was so paranoid they felt a need to carry a weapon there.
I understand that for some it is a matter of civil rights, but for others, it seems a strange sort of narcissism to assume that you will be the victim if you are not prepared.
Do we have stats on actual crime at the Fairgrounds during the event itself?
I wonder how many feel as I do?
How many people will stay home from the fair if they can NOT carry a weapon?
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How many people will stay home from the fair if others can carry weapons?
Then they have a duty to report it to their local LEO or magistrate. If the doctors haven't then the issue is not dangerous enough to revoke a permit or weapons.
I don't know if they are better in a crisis or not but the statistics indicate they seem to be more mentally sound and law-abiding than the general population. The police aren't saints either as we've seen recently.
The point is a CCW holder is not some boogeyman that should be feared.
I don't fear a CCW holder (well, except the ones I mentioned in this thread and you've got a hell of a nerve assuming I don't know who to actually be afraid OF who has a CCW permit and a history of mental illness because I know these individuals very well... one of them I know exceptionally well, in fact).
I am just not keen on allowing people to bring firearms to such a huge gathering of people that can be a bit chaotic at times. It seems like a recipe for an accident. Be it someone getting into an argument, someone's weapon being stolen and used to harm others, etc.
Nobody needs to pack heat to attend a carnival. They can carry pepper spray if they really feel like they might get mugged walking to their car. Sheesh.
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