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What about the terrorism and savagery carried out under Old Glory? For example, many native americans have the same feelings about the US flag as african americans do about the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Northern Virginia. No one in this country is completely innocent...why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
White supremacist groups have also co-opted the number 88...should Dale Earnhardt. Jr. change the number on his race car because of that? Or by keeping it, does he become a de facto white supremacist?
In any case, the talk about the flag is merely a smokescreen to keep the conversation off the real topic: gun control. The flag didn't kill anyone, and controlling flags won't solve the problem. Controlling guns will.
You are spot on until the last paragraph. With over 200 million guns already circulated in this country, you will NEVER control guns. Any attempt to do so is at best an inconvenience to law-abiding citizens, and at worst puts citizens at the mercy of gun wielding criminals who have no respect for laws to begin with. Any "banning" of any product in this country simply opens up a black market for said goods. After all, prohibition and the "war on drugs" have went swimmingly, haven't they? Certainly no underground market for those items, and no organized crime ever coordinated itself around alcohol or drugs
Getting rid of "gun-free zones" would be a great first step. After all, nearly every single mass shooting that takes place in this country does so where the killer finds little to no resistance.
What about the terrorism and savagery carried out under Old Glory? For example, many native americans have the same feelings about the US flag as african americans do about the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Northern Virginia. No one in this country is completely innocent...why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
White supremacist groups have also co-opted the number 88...should Dale Earnhardt. Jr. change the number on his race car because of that? Or by keeping it, does he become a de facto white supremacist?
In any case, the talk about the flag is merely a smokescreen to keep the conversation off the real topic: gun control. The flag didn't kill anyone, and controlling flags won't solve the problem. Controlling guns will.
If you think the United States is that bad then move somewhere else.
If you think the United States is that bad then move somewhere else.
That would fix absolutely nothing. Whatever greatness this country has achieved, it did so through originality and frank consideration of problems and solutions. The United States is rapidly falling behind the curve relative to other countries, and wedding oneself to some sort of cult of patriotism won't get you anywhere.
Problems like race, gender equality, and worker's rights will probably never go away, but I don't see why we can't do our part to help make this country a better place and to help our fellow man. Celebrating a flag of oppression and treason is certainly not doing much for the latter part of that.
If you truly love your country, you want to have frank conversations on its merits and deficiencies, and work to improve whatever you can.
The US flag is also a flag of treason. Had the British won the fight for Independence, the "Patriots" would have been hanged. History is written by the victors.
Pride for flag is very much in the same vein of people supporting Iraq veterans but disliking Bush / war in Iraq
The south's only sin regarding slavery was being stuck on that terrible institution longer than the north and being in a position where their economic livelihood depended on it. If you wanna make a nazi comparison then the US Flag is the flag of Nazi's too, maybe we can quibble they did 'less' genocide or didn't like it 'as much' but so what.
Slavery was an American institution and when the north industrialized they sold their slaves down south and a few decades later once their economic stake was lost they were able to condemn it.
Imagine if your state was invaded and the citizens fought to the last thread to retain their independence but were ultimately defeated and had their backs broke. Well if you live in north carolina you don't have to imagine it that's what happened. There is nothing wrong to identify and memorialize those who struggled and died in this way.
I don't own the flag, I don't expect black people to like it. But it's definitely part of the cultural narrative and I don't think it should go away
And you know I can't find a confederate flag on amazon now but I can buy a flag of North Korea.
The US flag is also a flag of treason. Had the British won the fight for Independence, the "Patriots" would have been hanged. History is written by the victors.
You would have a point if we were in the Confederate States of America right now. But this is the United States. The US flag isn't one of treason when you're living in that country.
Also it's not quite the same as there aren't people in the UK flying the US flag over British government buildings.
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