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Old 04-21-2016, 08:19 PM
 
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So you measure bad laws by how many businesses don't like them?

It's statistically significant that even one abuse could have been directly aided by the passing of Charlotte's ordinance when none had to be. Not to mention the violence that would eventually occur when a mad dad hears his daughter saw a penis in the locker room.
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Old 04-21-2016, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Isn't it more convenient to use the men's bathroom with the urinals if you have a male body, even if you identify as a female? I don't like sitting down on public toilets myself.

It would be interesting to see some polling on the percentage of transgenders who want to use the opposite sex bathroom.
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Old 04-21-2016, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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So you measure bad laws by how many businesses don't like them?

It's statistically significant that even one abuse could have been directly aided by the passing of Charlotte's ordinance when none had to be.
This is why I said you need to take a statistics class.
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Old 04-21-2016, 08:27 PM
 
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No, you say it because you don't have a cogent rebuttal.
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Old 04-21-2016, 08:38 PM
 
Location: North of South, South of North
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Your talking about how Charlotte's ordinance was so bad. If it was so bad obviously a company would threaten to pull jobs or investment from NC. I did't see any city, state, or country in opposition to the Ordinance. Your talking about extreme scenarios that are statistically insignificant and proven useless in many studies.
I was answering someone's question. Here, I will post it below. I got the impression they may not know the ordinance applied beyond toilets, as that seems to be the fixation of the media. So I answered the question. That's all.

Statistics? I did not know they kept statistics on how many females of a certain age feel uncomfortable seeing a penis for the first time or how many mother & father's get upset when their daughters have a man showering with them in a public facility or how an adult female feels about having males showering with her. Do they keep such statistics?

Tell me, as you seem to know all the stats and stuff. Is it statistically more important for the transgender person to feel comfortable, for the non-transgender person to be comfortable or for them to be equally comfortable?

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Who is showering? What are you talking about?..........

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Old 04-21-2016, 08:48 PM
 
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No, you say it because you don't have a cogent rebuttal.
Don't forget, transgender are much more likely to be "abused". If the CLT ordinance prevented two abuses and caused one, is it still "statistically significant" to you? Or does your concern begin and end at the thought of dear little Sally's wandering eye catching sight of the shadow of a penis?

Speaking of statistics, it's widely reported that more than 40% of transgendered individuals attempt suicide. That's more than ten times the average. We need to "normalize" our relationship as a society with transgendered people. And that means affirming their right use the gender-appropriate facilities. It's nothing more. And it's nothing less.
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Old 04-21-2016, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Don't forget, transgender are much more likely to be "abused". If the CLT ordinance prevented two abuses and caused one, is it still "statistically significant" to you? Or does your concern begin and end at the thought of dear little Sally's wandering eye catching sight of the shadow of a penis?

Speaking of statistics, it's widely reported that more than 40% of transgendered individuals attempt suicide. That's more than ten times the average. We need to "normalize" our relationship as a society with transgendered people. And that means affirming their right use the gender-appropriate facilities. It's nothing more. And it's nothing less.
AMEN!! Some privileged people think giving others rights degrades their rights. Not true. Iv'e shown North_Pinellas_Guy many statistics and he cant provide 1, except with a case in Seattle. n=1 basically in his world. vulfpeck is okay with LBGT not getting equal rights, because other countries have it worse. This is why people frown upon NC.
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Old 04-21-2016, 09:02 PM
 
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If an ordinance is so poorly written that it codifies protection of one group at the expense of safety for another, then the statistical significance is that the law incurred 100% of a previously avoidable, state-inflicted harm.

Charlotte should have given facilities a way to question sketchy dudes caught lurking without fear of lawsuit
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Old 04-21-2016, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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If an ordinance is so poorly written that it codifies protection of one group at the expense of safety for another, then the statistical significance is that the law incurred 100% of a previously avoidable, state-inflicted harm.

Charlotte should have given facilities a way to question sketchy dudes caught lurking without fear of lawsuit
Cut it out with these outlandish scenarios.
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Old 04-21-2016, 09:07 PM
 
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What is outlandish about peepers or rapists sneaking into bathrooms or locker rooms? It happens all the time. Charlotte just made it harder to kick the offenders out or have them arrested.

There are around 20,000 registered sex offenders in NC and obviously many more off the radar.
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