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Old 03-24-2016, 12:07 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Originally Posted by netbrad View Post
If I, as a man, am not allowed to enter a woman's restroom then a man that thinks they are a woman should not be allowed to either. You may be okay with that scenario but a lot of people aren't.



The government has no business forcing people to agree with a lifestyle choice they disagree with like the Charlotte ordinance did. If a business doesn't want to perform X service for someone they don't have to. You should not be prosecuted, lose your livelihood or be threatened with death because you won't bake a cake or take pictures at a gay wedding which is where this all started.

If you disagree with that, then I eagerly await your support of legislation that allows people to carry firearms (gun ownership is a right as well as a lifestyle choice that people disagree with) anywhere in the state without restriction (government buildings, schools, fairgrounds, etc.). Currently gun owners are "discriminated" against by force of law in these places.
You really must have no concept of discrimination or you think that this is pretty much a game. When I graduated from college want ads were still segregated. Help wanted male paid very well. Help wanted female didn't pay a living wage. Help wanted male or female was in the middle. Most companies didn't offer insurance to female employees.

I've been on the receiving end of discrimination. I will always stand with people who are being discriminated against. By that I mean people who are being denied jobs or fired from jobs because of who they are not their ability to do that job. Men who appear to be a woman do not belong in a men's bathroom. It's pretty simple. That is not the same as a person who chooses to carry a firearm. If you don't know the difference, I feel sorry for you.
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Old 03-24-2016, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Charlotte NC
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"I want to be very clear. I'm REALLY against the states actions. It's a joke. It's a waste of my tax dollars. It's case in point why Asheville, CLT and Raleigh voters REALLY need to step up in November and overpower these po dunk repub areas of the state and vote these morons out.
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Old 03-24-2016, 12:11 PM
 
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Lol at seeing photos of FtM transgender porn star buck angel on CD
But that's exactly the point. If I didn't know who Buck was, I'd think he was a cisgendered male. I've no problem with the dude going into the men's room nor would I think anything of it. Heck, one could argue it'd MORE disruptive for him to use the women's room than the men's room.
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Old 03-24-2016, 12:16 PM
 
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As much as I don't want to admit that there are terrible sick and twisted people in this world that would take advantage of their ability to use a women's restroom and for that matter, take pure advantage of the hard work the LGBT community has put in for these rights, this is a very really and scary scenario that this bill protects from becoming a much more frequent occurrence.

The bill, in my opinion, also protects businesses from legal action. A business owner could potentially be held accountable for a sexual assault in a women's room by someone taking advantage of this law and on the same token, could also be held responsible from stopping someone who in their judgement maybe up to no good entering a restroom. In a perfect world, this would not be the case, but unfortunately, its the world we live in and yes, have to be concerned with. Look at all of the horrible stats about sexual abuse towards women...youre telling me by giving these sick abusers an even more private place to commit these terrible acts that won't cause more issues?

The other thing about this bill (at least as I understand it, if I am incorrect, please forgive me) is that it is not allowing businesses to ban the LGBT community from their establishment. I mean if I own a restaurant, I could care less who comes in as long as they are not causing a problem. Just because you cannot use a certain bathroom does not mean a business is discriminating against you.

The last and final thing I'll say about this is that it does not prohibit businesses who want to have their restrooms however they like. I work in Asheville a lot and I have been to several places that have two unisex restrooms and this bill doesn't change that.

I am not trying to come across as insensitive and I am certainly not prejudice as I am a very live and let live person but mandating businesses on how they should align their restrooms is simply wrong. Now I will say from that same perspective I dont agree with how the state is mandating local governments on whether or not they want an ordinance but that still would not change the fact that in the end, whether it comes from the City of Asheville or State of North Carolina, unfair mandates would be placed on private businesses and that is just as wrong as discrimination.
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Old 03-24-2016, 12:23 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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"I want to be very clear. I'm REALLY against the states actions. It's a joke. It's a waste of my tax dollars. It's case in point why Asheville, CLT and Raleigh voters REALLY need to step up in November and overpower these po dunk repub areas of the state and vote these morons out.
There's only so much that the cities can do. I've seen this play out for years in Pennsylvania. As someone pointed out, the rural areas sent Rick Santorum to DC. The answer is expansion of suburban areas. They will always be more conservative than the cities, but are generally not hard right-wing. That takes the edge off of this kind of crap. That's why you keep hearing about the Philadelphia suburbs in election years.
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Old 03-24-2016, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC
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You really must have no concept of discrimination or you think that this is pretty much a game. When I graduated from college want ads were still segregated. Help wanted male paid very well. Help wanted female didn't pay a living wage. Help wanted male or female was in the middle. Most companies didn't offer insurance to female employees.

I've been on the receiving end of discrimination. I will always stand with people who are being discriminated against. By that I mean people who are being denied jobs or fired from jobs because of who they are not their ability to do that job. Men who appear to be a woman do not belong in a men's bathroom. It's pretty simple. That is not the same as a person who chooses to carry a firearm. If you don't know the difference, I feel sorry for you.

Did you stand with those smokers who were discriminated against when the smoking ordinance was passed? Did you picket? Did you strike?

The thing is, the city of Charlotte did not think this through. Simply opening up all bathrooms AND locker rooms as all genders welcomed is a very irresponsible decision to make. Coming up with some sort of solution that would make all sides of this comfortable is what should have happened. I mean, as the ordinance was worded, there would have been no legal protection against any guy walking into the women's locker room to watch women undress.
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Old 03-24-2016, 12:28 PM
 
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But that's exactly the point. If I didn't know who Buck was, I'd think he was a cisgendered male. I've no problem with the dude going into the men's room nor would I think anything of it. Heck, one could argue it'd MORE disruptive for him to use the women's room than the men's room.
If it would be more disruptive for a man identifying as a women to go into a women restroom then why are transgenders fighting for this?

I can to some degree see how they could feel uncomfortable being in a restroom that is not how they identify and in that scenario I understand and respect them for fighting this legislation, but if it makes them more uncomfortable to be in the restroom of the gender they identify with all this debate and push is simply for showmanship.
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Old 03-24-2016, 12:32 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Did you stand with those smokers who were discriminated against when the smoking ordinance was passed? Did you picket? Did you strike?

The thing is, the city of Charlotte did not think this through. Simply opening up all bathrooms AND locker rooms as all genders welcomed is a very irresponsible decision to make. Coming up with some sort of solution that would make all sides of this comfortable is what should have happened. I mean, as the ordinance was worded, there would have been no legal protection against any guy walking into the women's locker room to watch women undress.
I am one of those smokers. I didn't object. I've been in smoke - filled rooms & don't like it either. Guns & smoking are choices. Try again.
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Old 03-24-2016, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Hampstead NC
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I think you are misinformed about some things, but I'm not arguing with you about every point because the real issue is not even this "bathroom bill", but the fact that it is a small portion of a larger bill that was passed by a CITY and yet now the STATE wants to come in and void not just the "bathroom" part, not just the bill itself, but they intend to make it so that NO CITY can pass nondiscrimination laws addressing LGBT people, even without "bathroom clauses" or whatever.

That actually is the scariest thing about this. Where is the "smaller government" when taxpayers are paying $42K a day for this ridiculous session? How is it "less government intervention" when the big govt state overrides what a local ordinance affirmed. That's everything Republicans supposedly stand for, no?
If this bill bothers you and you aren't in Charlotte, what's your concern? BTW, numerous other states and cities have similar bills and there has not been ONE case of molestation by someone pretending to be transgender in a bathroom. Please cite a case if you can find one.
I don't think this could possibly be constitutional. I just dread thinking about how much money this is costing the state now, and will cost the state in legal fees until it goes all the way to the Supreme Court. Just like Amendment 1. Big waste of everyone's time and money when there are still hungry children in this state.

I agree that I'm not any more worried about being molested by a transgendered person in the bathroom than I am about being by molested by a non-transgendered person anywhere else. Which means I take ordinary safety precautions, and attempt to be aware of my surroundings, everywhere I go.
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Old 03-24-2016, 12:37 PM
 
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If it would be more disruptive for a man identifying as a women to go into a women restroom then why are transgenders fighting for this?

I can to some degree see how they could feel uncomfortable being in a restroom that is not how they identify and in that scenario I understand and respect them for fighting this legislation, but if it makes them more uncomfortable to be in the restroom of the gender they identify with all this debate and push is simply for showmanship.
You clearly misunderstand my point. Buck Angel, the first person whose photo I posted, was born a woman. He identifies as a male and has had top surgery, but not bottom surgery. I think you'd agree that just walking down the street if you saw Buck you'd assume he's a cisgendered male, not a trans man. Yet the state legislature is now saying that Buck would have to use the women's room. Likewise the last photo I shared is Dr. Marci Bowers. Dr. Bowers is a trans woman. Again, if you looked at her just walking down the street you might assume she's a cisgendered woman. Yet the state legislature is now saying that she would have to use the men's room.
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