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Old 04-24-2016, 09:52 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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The more cities adopt ordinances like Charlotte's, the more violence we will see from angry father's in "defense" of their daughters, whether their anger is justified or not. Of course they'll be arrested, but overall, these laws will cause more physical harm to trans people than they prevent.
But in cities that have ordinances similar to Charlotte's proposal, how come we haven't heard any big national outcry of the angry fathers? Maybe it's a non-issue.
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Old 04-24-2016, 11:10 AM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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But in cities that have ordinances similar to Charlotte's proposal, how come we haven't heard any big national outcry of the angry fathers? Maybe it's a non-issue.
The manufacturing of the anger sure feels like the new Southern Strategy to me.
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Old 04-24-2016, 11:21 AM
 
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No less manufactured than the left's "anger" over the so-called "discrimination" of separating men and women into different toilet and shower facilities.
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Old 04-24-2016, 01:32 PM
 
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No less manufactured than the left's "anger" over the so-called "discrimination" of separating men and women into different toilet and shower facilities.
Again, since you refuse to acknowledge or address this point:

Transgender/transsexual individuals attempt suicide at a rate more than TEN TIMES the "normal" average. It's time to de-stigmatize this population and equality rules are a good place to start with a misinformed public!

You're decrying the potential damage to women and children while ignoring real damage to other subsets of our community.

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Old 04-24-2016, 01:39 PM
 
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People with all forms of mental illness are more likely to commit suicide. Legitimizing it only confuses them further. Gender dysphoria deserves sympathy and care, but not acceptance as a norm.

Body integrity identity disorder is a similar illness that drives people to have healthy arms and legs removed. Would you suggest we institute laws that reinforce that as well? Pehaps handicap parking prior to their medical "transition" from whole-bodied person to amputee?

Aside from making this sort of self-destructive disorder acceptable, it' an even bigger problem if the laws intended to "help" them inadvertently subject an even larger group to unnecessary risk. As was the case with Charlotte's ordinance.

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Old 04-24-2016, 02:53 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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People with all forms of mental illness are more likely to commit suicide. Legitimizing it only confuses them further. Gender dysphoria deserves sympathy and care, but not acceptance as a norm.

Body integrity identity disorder is a similar illness that drives people to have healthy arms and legs removed. Would you suggest we institute laws that reinforce that as well? Pehaps handicap parking prior to their medical "transition" from whole-bodied person to amputee?

Aside from making this sort of self-destructive disorder acceptable, it' an even bigger problem if the laws intended to "help" them inadvertently subject an even larger group to unnecessary risk. As was the case with Charlotte's ordinance.
I call "bs" on all of those statements! You minimize real risk vs. imaginary risk! Maybe we need a "vulpecker fact checker" and "hyperbole deflater".
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Old 04-24-2016, 04:35 PM
 
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I beg you to check the facts. It would be a welcome diversion from name-calling and fact-devoid rants. I would love nothing more than to debate this topic on it's own merits as apposed to partisan attacks and rhetoric that illustrate no clear understanding of the issue or the concerns of the people you disagree with.

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Old 04-24-2016, 05:17 PM
 
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Wow....this thread is just full of silliness now. Actually it's outright ridiculous.

Look, if people want men to crap in the women's restroom, let 'em. If a woman claiming to be a man what's to pee spread eagle in a urinal next to me in the men's room, by all means do so but don't get upset when I laugh.

But like I said previously, I will stop any man who claims to be a women and tries to use the restroom while my wife and daughter are in there. I will ask politely first to wait until my wife or daughter leaves but will use force if he attempts to enter. Legal repercussions? Ha. I doubt it but even so I will stop at nothing for the safety of those two. Period.

And blah, blah, blah I know there are laws in place to punish a sex offender. Yeah, tell that to victims of sex offenders.

So y'all libs keep on playin'. But ya better start doing pushups because it's fixin' to get real, ya heard?
lol, your barking is absolutely ridiculous.
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Old 04-24-2016, 06:05 PM
 
Location: North of South, South of North
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I beg you to check the facts. It would be a welcome diversion from name-calling and fact-devoid rants. I would love nothing more than to debate this topic on it's own merits as apposed to partisan attacks and rhetoric that illustrate no clear understanding of the issue or the concerns of the people you disagree with.
This would probably be a GREAT topic in one of the broader forums, where we are not limited in scope and audience. It would be great to get more info and people's experience on this, beyond just the NC ramifications......but we can't really do that in this particular forum.
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Old 04-24-2016, 06:27 PM
 
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People with all forms of mental illness are more likely to commit suicide. Legitimizing it only confuses them further. Gender dysphoria deserves sympathy and care, but not acceptance as a norm.

Body integrity identity disorder is a similar illness that drives people to have healthy arms and legs removed. Would you suggest we institute laws that reinforce that as well? Pehaps handicap parking prior to their medical "transition" from whole-bodied person to amputee?

Aside from making this sort of self-destructive disorder acceptable, it' an even bigger problem if the laws intended to "help" them inadvertently subject an even larger group to unnecessary risk. As was the case with Charlotte's ordinance.
People with "mental illness" do attempt suicide at a higher rate. Schizophrenics have a 30-40% attempt rate. But DEPRESSED people who are otherwise healthy also are at major risk. Depression can happen to anyone. They deserve sympathy, care, AND ACCEPTANCE. These people are NOT criminals. Many are depressed because of the stigma and difficulties they face everyday when otherwise well-meaning people say things like "they don't deserve acceptance". How can sympathy and care take place without acceptance?

I imagine if it was your family you would feel differently, even if you don't realize it now.
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