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Old 05-06-2016, 01:19 PM
 
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A great mind has checked in. Duly noted. Thank you for your input.
You're welcome. Given the nature of your response, I evidently made my point well enough regarding the similarity of the two sentiments.
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Old 05-06-2016, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC
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Listen: Charlotte DIDN'T BREAK ANY STATE LAW.

That's why the GOP had to CONVENE AN EMERGENCY SESSION TO MAKE ONE UP.

Thats a fact.
There was an overreach when it came to the minimum wage. That is state mandated. That's a fact. There was also and overreach with the ordinance itself. What would have been wrong with the city going to the state and saying, "Hey, we want to enforce XYZ, because we feel we need these laws put in place for whatever reason"? Part of the problem in today's government is that there is too much competition from both sides and not enough communication and working together to solve some of these issues or at least work out a solution that works for most everyone.
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Old 05-06-2016, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC
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Now, I can kind of agree Charlotte could have done this differently, but what state laws did they know they would be violating? I mean, since they had to do a special session and create the law to ban what Charlotte passed, so there was no pre-existing law, by definition.
For one thing, they were trying to approve a minimum wage increase for the city when they did not have the power to do so. That right there could have been enough for the state to say, what a minute, back up. It was definitely overreach for the city to tell private businesses that they must abide by a government sanctioned bathroom policy.
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Old 05-06-2016, 02:22 PM
 
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My family moved to North Carolina in the 1800s. What do I win?
If you're competing with me, then nothing. I've got you beat by a century

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And as much grief as I give to people who move here, I rather be in a growing state, compared to one that is losing their population. One of the reasons people DID move here, were the relative progressive politics.
I like living in a state with a mix of opinions. Funny that the Democrats held the legislature for a hundred years and liberals lose their minds after 4 years of conservative leadership. Learn to share the toys, I'm sure you'll be back in power driving up taxes and forcing your agenda on us eventually.
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Old 05-06-2016, 02:26 PM
 
Location: SDL/PDX/RDU
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You're welcome. Given the nature of your response, I evidently made my point well enough regarding the similarity of the two sentiments.
Since the issue was about federal funding I was thinking in terms of, for example, someone going to a bank expecting money for a loan and not liking the terms. If you don't like the terms, find another bank or simply don't take out a loan but if you want to make it about where one resides that's your prerogative.

Similar? Perhaps, but a false equivalency.

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Old 05-06-2016, 03:27 PM
 
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Since the issue was about federal funding I was thinking in terms of, for example, someone going to a bank expecting money for a loan and not liking the terms. If you don't like the terms, find another bank or simply don't take out a loan but if you want to make it about where one resides that's your prerogative.

Similar? Perhaps, but a false equivalency.
Of course, the flow of money from the state to the feds and back to the state has essentially nothing in common with a loan from a bank to a consumer. For one thing, the market for loans is open and competitive -- if you don't like one bank, you can try another. This is not quite the same, as the US has only one federal government at the moment. Another difference can be illustrated as follows: I would bet heavily that almost everyone at UNC-CH is opposed to HB-2, and yet the threat is to cut-off funds to UNC-CH -- in other words, an innocent hostage has been taken, and we see bullying by the Feds in full form.

But I really enjoyed the following, especially coming from as great a mind as yours:

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Anyone looking for a nice condo in downtown Raleigh?
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Old 05-06-2016, 03:53 PM
 
Location: SDL/PDX/RDU
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Of course, the flow of money from the state to the feds and back to the state has essentially nothing in common with a loan from a bank to a consumer. For one thing, the market for loans is open and competitive -- if you don't like one bank, you can try another. This is not quite the same, as the US has only one federal government at the moment. Another difference can be illustrated as follows: I would bet heavily that almost everyone at UNC-CH is opposed to HB-2, and yet the threat is to cut-off funds to UNC-CH -- in other words, an innocent hostage has been taken, and we see bullying by the Feds in full form.

But I really enjoyed the following, especially coming from as great a mind as yours:
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Anyone looking for a nice condo in downtown Raleigh?
Just protecting an investment...

Incidentally, you're right about there only being one bank in town, but wrong about the alternatives as I'd previously mentioned. Just refuse the federal money if you feel you're being 'bullied'. Take that righteous indignation and make up the funds from your North Carolinian constituents. Or burn it all down... Lookie... two ideas right there!

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Old 05-06-2016, 04:29 PM
 
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Just protecting an investment...

Just refuse the federal money if you feel you're being 'bullied'.
First cousin to "just leave if you don't like it here."
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Old 05-06-2016, 04:51 PM
 
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Just protecting an investment...

Incidentally, you're right about there only being one bank in town, but wrong about the alternatives as I'd previously mentioned. Just refuse the federal money if you feel you're being 'bullied'. Take that righteous indignation and make up the funds from your North Carolinian constituents. Or burn it all down... Lookie... two ideas right there!
It's federal tax money. A good portion of which came from North Carolina. Bullying, maybe. Extortion? Definitely.
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Old 05-06-2016, 05:15 PM
 
Location: SDL/PDX/RDU
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First cousin to "just leave if you don't like it here."
How so? If the GA feel that the good people of North Carolina are on their side of this, then turn down the money and ask them to make up the shortfall. Certainly they'd be willing operate the colleges on state funds only and exclusively. Same with transportation work and housing. (Just as an aside, I'm hoping the USDOT is also casting an eye at federal fund used at keeping airports operating as part of the anti-discrimination investigation. Remind me to drop them a note)

If state funding is not forthcoming, let the chips fall where they may and hope you didn't have your heart set in getting a higher (or much if any) education in North Carolina.

Nothing about that suggests if you don't like it here.. blah, blah, blah. Just pragmatic responses to a given set of circumstances.

Oh wait, there's one other thing that could be done. Relegate HB2 to the dustbin of southern bigotry and rescind the damn thing already...
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