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Old 05-26-2016, 07:12 AM
 
Location: North of South, South of North
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Originally Posted by vulfpeck View Post
Just because a lawyer writes a fact page on a website doesn't mean it carries the weight of law.

Here is the ordinance, which was the actual, enforceable law if HB2 had not overrode it. ORDINANCE NUMBER: 7056-. AMENDING CHAPTERS 2, 12, and 22

It says you can't limit use of facilities based on "gender identity" or "gender expression."

Catch the "expression" part? That means you can't stop a person that looks 100% like a man from going into the women's shower. If you ask him to leave or call the police? Guess what, you and the police can be sued for harassment discrimination based entirely on this new law. Before this law, you could use reasonable judgement and not be sued. Understand?

Further, allowing any "identity" to be claimed by anyone effectively causes the same problem as limiting discretion based on "expression." They basically wrote in two loopholes with no attempt to clarify within the law, just a FAQ thrown together after there was backlash. A FAQ which carries no legal authority.
Dang, those pesky facts keep getting in the way of the nonsensical viewpoint that men should have the right to shower with little girls.
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Old 05-26-2016, 07:19 AM
 
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How am I wrong? Specifically.
Try reading the FAQ again. It points out the folly of your assumptions quite clearly.
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Old 05-26-2016, 07:20 AM
 
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try reading the faq again. It points out the folly of your assumptions quite clearly.
The "Frequently Asked Questions" webpage is not law. READ THE LAW.
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Old 05-26-2016, 07:20 AM
 
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Dang, those pesky facts keep getting in the way of the nonsensical viewpoint that men should have the right to shower with little girls.
You're wrong, too.

Again.
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Old 05-26-2016, 07:21 AM
 
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the "frequently asked questions" web page is not law.
And neither are your misguided opinion posts.

Are you even a lawyer? Are you at all qualified to give legal opinions or advice?
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Old 05-26-2016, 08:31 AM
 
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Charlotte Ordinance No. 7056

It shall be unlawful to deny any person the full and equal enjoyment of... facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of a place of public accommodation because of... gender expression.
This applies to "restrooms, shower rooms, bathhouses and similar facilities which are in their nature distinctly private." This includes "YMCA, YWCA and similar types of dormitory lodging facilities."

If you don't think this open-ended wording is going to cause ridiculous lawsuits, look at the types of suits that are being paid out:

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They Didn’t Call This Teacher ‘They’ – Now ‘They’ Has $60,000

A fifth-grade teacher at an Oregon elementary school said ‘they’ was harassed at work and that ‘they’ was referred to by the wrong pronoun.

Leo Soell was born a woman, but ‘they’ don’t want you to call ‘them’ a he or a she. Soell claims to be “transmasculine” and “genderqueer,” meaning ‘they’ is neither male nor female. Soell has been publicly gender-neutral since mid-2015.

The school’s first investigation into the harassment found no proof, but it agreed to refer to Soell as ‘they.’ After Soell applied more pressure with an attorney and an official complaint, the school forked over $60,000.
Want to tell me again how frivolous lawsuits aren't going to tie the hands of facilities, businesses and law enforcement?

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Old 05-26-2016, 09:41 AM
 
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This applies to "restrooms, shower rooms, bathhouses and similar facilities which are in their nature distinctly private." This includes "YMCA, YWCA and similar types of dormitory lodging facilities."

If you don't think this open-ended wording is going to cause ridiculous lawsuits, look at the types of suits that are being paid out:



Want to tell me again how frivolous lawsuits aren't going to tie the hands of facilities, businesses and law enforcement?
You didn't read the ordinance.

NO AUTHORITY FOR PRIVATE CITIZENS TO SUE. That's a fact.
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Old 05-26-2016, 09:44 AM
 
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You didn't read the ordinance.

NO AUTHORITY FOR PRIVATE CITIZENS TO SUE. That's a fact.
No, it's not. Where are you seeing that?

Here's the ordinance, where does it mention that citizens can't sue for discrimination? ORDINANCE NUMBER: 7056-. AMENDING CHAPTERS 2, 12, and 22 The ability to sue for discrimination is the entire point of it...
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Old 05-26-2016, 09:47 AM
 
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No, it's not. Where are you seeing that?
I believe it is in section 2 "Powers"
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Old 05-26-2016, 09:48 AM
 
Location: North of South, South of North
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You're wrong, too.

Again.
You are wrong about the two of us being wrong.

Again.
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