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Old 06-10-2016, 05:42 AM
 
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I've got nothing but love for teachers. I know they have tough, important jobs. But so do a lot of people. The current pay rate is too low, but that's being corrected.

As far as benefits... pensions, tenure and permanent healthcare are just bad ideas. If private businesses want to toy with them and the future of their companies, fine, but they're financially unsustainable and can't be justified as a current and future tax burden.
Now you are just talking nonsense. There is nothing inherently unsustainable about pensions. Sure, there are examples where benefits were promised, but not adequately funded. The same problem exist, and much worse, in the defined contribution world. What percentage of the population has underfunded retirement liabilities? What becomes of them? The reality is, as employers weasel out of their responsibilities to workers, the government has to pick up the slack. We have allowed things to progress to the point where many employers neither pay a living wage, nor provide healthcare, nor provide retirement. That is not sustainable.
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Old 06-10-2016, 06:52 AM
 
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Maybe you should find an employer that will provide you with something more than the "bottom-of-the-barrel" benefits that they made you believe is the new normal. You and many others, fell for the GOP line that "corporations are more important than people" and you happily supply the "one-percenters" with everything they want at the expense of the middle class. Then you're only too quick to blame the middle class for their financial shortcomings - decrying any attempt by them to regain any rights they had ...that have been "stripped away" by the lobbyists that provide the GOP with big campaign bucks.

You're going to find out in a few more years, that you have more in common with the "so-called takers" than the "so-called makers". Leona Helmsley would no doubt classify you as "one of the little people"!
I think one of the biggest myths the democrats have been able to pull off is that they are for the little people, and against big business. the two biggest stock market booms of the last 30 years have happened under a democrat president. They are as much big business, if not more than republicans. Both parties are in bed with big business. If you don't think so, then you are a sheep.

As for the republicans that think this is a still a capitalist nation you're a fool too. We are a socialist nation, have been for a long time. The only problem all those benefits go to big business. Big business owns both parties, and the sheep fight over the little details.
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Old 06-10-2016, 09:10 AM
 
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If you're ever curious, state employee salaries are publicly available: NC State Employee Salaries | NewsObserver.com & News & Observer

Some of the college professor incomes seem excessive. Maybe we should take some of that and give it to the K-12 teachers.

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Old 06-10-2016, 09:29 AM
 
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If you're ever curious, state employee salaries are publicly available: NC State Employee Salaries | NewsObserver.com & News & Observer

Some of the college professor incomes seem excessive. Maybe we should take some of that and give it to the K-12 teachers.
they work very little for what the get paid. it's a very cushy gig
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Old 06-10-2016, 09:55 AM
 
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If you're ever curious, state employee salaries are publicly available: NC State Employee Salaries | NewsObserver.com & News & Observer

Some of the college professor incomes seem excessive. Maybe we should take some of that and give it to the K-12 teacher's.
Most college professors in better colleges not only have a PhD, but are also published or have something that they are responsible for out in the public. They frequently also are under contract to continue to produce while employed.
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Old 06-10-2016, 12:45 PM
 
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I think one of the biggest myths the democrats have been able to pull off is that they are for the little people, and against big business. the two biggest stock market booms of the last 30 years have happened under a democrat president. They are as much big business, if not more than republicans. Both parties are in bed with big business. If you don't think so, then you are a sheep.

As for the republicans that think this is a still a capitalist nation you're a fool too. We are a socialist nation, have been for a long time. The only problem all those benefits go to big business. Big business owns both parties, and the sheep fight over the little details.
tread102 - I'm well aware that the Democrats are hardly "angels" when it comes to big business. The difference is ...that if you're going to get "shafted", the Republicans are using a sandpaper condom while the Democrats use a barely-lubricated one!
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Old 06-10-2016, 05:53 PM
 
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they work very little for what the get paid. it's a very cushy gig
Cushy gig? Any tenured professor (which takes years to obtain) has grinded hard via publications, research, and conferences with tons of pressure to produce in a competitive environment. I've worked with assistant professors who were unable to attain tenure (5+ years at university) and subsequently fired. Granted, it isn't as high pressure as some private sector gigs but cushy? Stable is the better term once a professor receives tenure.

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Old 06-10-2016, 06:01 PM
 
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If you're ever curious, state employee salaries are publicly available: NC State Employee Salaries | NewsObserver.com & News & Observer

Some of the college professor incomes seem excessive. Maybe we should take some of that and give it to the K-12 teachers.

Rob from Peter to pay Paul? Two different buckets with different initiatives. Oh, the money is there to increase K-12 teacher pay (significantly), it's a matter of priority and public education isn't priority to the GOP.
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Old 06-10-2016, 06:11 PM
 
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Cushy gig? Any tenured professor (which takes years to obtain) has grinded hard via publications, research, and conferences with tons of pressure to produce in a competitive environment. I've worked with assistant professors who were unable to attain tenure (5+ years at university) and subsequently fired. Granted, it isn't as high pressure as some private sector gigs but cushy? Stable is the better term once a professor receives tenure.
Cushy is an appropriate description. Academia is about as far from "grinding," competition and reality as is possible. I work with several part-time professors and their teaching gigs are pretty much paid vacation compared to real work.
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Old 06-10-2016, 09:32 PM
 
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Cushy is an appropriate description. Academia is about as far from "grinding," competition and reality as is possible. I work with several part-time professors and their teaching gigs are pretty much paid vacation compared to real work.
Vacation? Note the word part-time, I teach as adjunct. I'm talking about assistant professors working towards tenure, instructing several classes, researching, serve on committees, etc...it can get stressful as hell. You seem to know a lot about things you've never done. With all the cuts in gov funding, etc., research dollars are competitive and it can get cut throat.

NEA - The Truth About Tenure in Higher Education

SURVEYS show clearly that tenured generally publish more, serve on committees and teach more than their untenured colleagues. On average, faculty work 52 hours per week.

Stick to what you know or go get a PhD get one of those "cushy" jobs. Hell, securing a PhD is a level of stress within itself.
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