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Old 06-02-2016, 10:49 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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There's something inherently wrong with taking money from the the majority of taxpayers, who won't be able to retire until age 65 or beyond, to pay for early retirement for state employees.
You just seem so jealous, in my opinion. Police have a retirement system much like the military. Not all leave when they hit the magic number of years.

I knew a teacher who had her shoulder broken when a student walked into her classroom & started verbally assaulting her students. Then she escorted him to the door & told him to leave. When she turned around to address her class, he picked up s chair & tried to hit her over the head & missed, thereby breaking her shoulder instead of killing her.

You also seem unaware that the insurance for life changes at 65. Many teachers & public servants do work until 65, so the general public only picks up the pay portions of Medicare.
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Old 06-02-2016, 10:50 PM
 
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I'm sure you and your wife are lovely people. I can't imagine why you don't make more money.
Yes My wife is a wonderful person. You would have to be to do what she does for a year. Let alone do it for 16 years. regardless of what the stupid state government does she will finish this school year, and return in the fall to teach another group of 3rd graders. She made a choice a long time ago to follow her life's calling. She doesn't ***** or complain about it. She truly loves what she does. Money isn't the goal to her. Reaching the kids and teaching them is.

As for you. you're truly clueless. You do a great job of spouting off talking points, but have very little original thought. You spout off tired narratives that I've heard since I was a boy. Just like then they hold little if any truth. Sadly some in government hold these views as well. Keep listening to your talk radio, and believing that you are what makes America great. I won't tell you otherwise.
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Old 06-02-2016, 10:57 PM
 
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You just seem so jealous, in my opinion. Police have a retirement system much like the military. Not all leave when they hit the magic number of years.

I knew a teacher who had her shoulder broken when a student walked into her classroom & started verbally assaulting her students. Then she escorted him to the door & told him to leave. When she turned around to address her class, he picked up s chair & tried to hit her over the head & missed, thereby breaking her shoulder instead of killing her.

You also seem unaware that the insurance for life changes at 65. Many teachers & public servants do work until 65, so the general public only picks up the pay portions of Medicare.
Jealous, no. Disgusted, yes. I will retire well before 60, but I'm not taking tax money to do it. Why should the average person work until 65 or 70 so government employees can stop working and live off of them well before that?

I imagine that most teachers don't retire that early, but that was the premise of some earlier comments.
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Old 06-02-2016, 11:10 PM
 
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As for you. you're truly clueless. You do a great job of spouting off talking points, but have very little original thought. You spout off tired narratives that I've heard since I was a boy. Just like then they hold little if any truth. Sadly some in government hold these views as well. Keep listening to your talk radio, and believing that you are what makes America great. I won't tell you otherwise.
The views expressed in these comments are solely my own and do not reflect those of talk radio or its advertisers. The content here belongs solely to Vulfpeck Thinktrust. Views and opinions expressed by all comments belong to it and not talk radio or NPR, Naughty Progressive Radio. All data and information provided in these comments is for informational purposes only. Vulfpeck Thinktrust makes no representations as to accuracy, completeness, currentness, suitability, or validity of any information in these comments and will not be liable for any errors, omissions, or delays in this information or any losses, injuries, or damages arising from its display or use. All information is provided on an as-is basis. These comments under strict copyright laws and all trademarks have been registered. If you want to use content in your own comment, you must ask permission first before you do so under these restrictions.
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Old 06-02-2016, 11:41 PM
 
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Jealous, no. Disgusted, yes. I will retire well before 60, but I'm not taking tax money to do it. Why should the average person work until 65 or 70 so government employees can stop working and live off of them well before that?

I imagine that most teachers don't retire that early, but that was the premise of some earlier comments.
Green with envy seems like the appropriate description.

Whether it's military, police, firemen, teachers, or civil servants, our society made a deal with those people. We've had this system for a long time. Maybe you'd like to go back to the old system. Want fire protection? Pay to belong to a group. Want to educate kids? Either hire a tutor or join a group to hire a teacher & give the teacher room & board as well as a small salary.
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Old 06-02-2016, 11:50 PM
 
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Whether it's military, police, firemen, teachers, or civil servants, our society made a deal with those people. We've had this system for a long time. Maybe you'd like to go back to the old system. Want fire protection? Pay to belong to a group. Want to educate kids? Either hire a tutor or join a group to hire a teacher & give the teacher room & board as well as a small salary.
The "old system" is pensions and healthcare through retirement. States all over the country are doing away with it. Lots of companies used to provide these types of benefits also, but not anymore. Increasing turnover, mobility and savings options in the workforce make them unwieldy and unnecessary. Northern states have struggled to keep up with the payments for years. I would think that NC will eventually replace the current defined-benefit plan that it pays an additional 9% into for each employee with a 401(k) matching contribution.

Perhaps some people would like to live in the past, but the rest of us are moving on. If you really want competitive benefits and pay for teachers, then get behind a solid voucher system to boost charter and private school access. Then we'll see a major improvement in the variety and quality of options for teachers.

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Old 06-03-2016, 02:59 AM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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The "old system" is pensions and healthcare through retirement. States all over the country are doing away with it. Lots of companies used to provide these types of benefits also, but not anymore. Increasing turnover, mobility and savings options in the workforce make them unwieldy and unnecessary. Northern states have struggled to keep up with the payments for years. I would think that NC will eventually replace the current defined-benefit plan that it pays an additional 9% into for each employee with a 401(k) matching contribution.

Perhaps some people would like to live in the past, but the rest of us are moving on. If you really want competitive benefits and pay for teachers, then get behind a solid voucher system to boost charter and private school access. Then we'll see a major improvement in the variety and quality of options for teachers.
Charter schools can be failing schools as well. It was in national news about failing charter schools in Philadelphia within the last year. Charter schools take money from public schools & in most states are held to lower & sometimes no standards.

There have been reports in Charlotte of failed charter schools. It's no different in North Carolina.
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Old 06-03-2016, 05:15 AM
 
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The "old system" is pensions and healthcare through retirement. States all over the country are doing away with it. Lots of companies used to provide these types of benefits also, but not anymore. Increasing turnover, mobility and savings options in the workforce make them unwieldy and unnecessary. Northern states have struggled to keep up with the payments for years. I would think that NC will eventually replace the current defined-benefit plan that it pays an additional 9% into for each employee with a 401(k) matching contribution.

Perhaps some people would like to live in the past, but the rest of us are moving on. If you really want competitive benefits and pay for teachers, then get behind a solid voucher system to boost charter and private school access. Then we'll see a major improvement in the variety and quality of options for teachers.
9% eh? Only when it is trying to make up for the years where it contributed 0%.
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Old 06-03-2016, 05:22 AM
 
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The views expressed in these comments are solely my own and do not reflect those of talk radio or its advertisers. The content here belongs solely to Vulfpeck Thinktrust. Views and opinions expressed by all comments belong to it and not talk radio or NPR, Naughty Progressive Radio. All data and information provided in these comments is for informational purposes only. Vulfpeck Thinktrust makes no representations as to accuracy, completeness, currentness, suitability, or validity of any information in these comments and will not be liable for any errors, omissions, or delays in this information or any losses, injuries, or damages arising from its display or use. All information is provided on an as-is basis. These comments under strict copyright laws and all trademarks have been registered. If you want to use content in your own comment, you must ask permission first before you do so under these restrictions.
Wow that has to be one of the most amazing things I've seen on these boards. Someone having the same views as a certain brand of talk radio hosts, but yet didn't get these views from listening. You just happened to form the same exact views on your own. This is truly incredible. I know you are a highly successful individual, but have you ever thought of doing radio?
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Old 06-03-2016, 06:29 AM
 
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The "old system" is pensions and healthcare through retirement. States all over the country are doing away with it. Lots of companies used to provide these types of benefits also, but not anymore. Increasing turnover, mobility and savings options in the workforce make them unwieldy and unnecessary. Northern states have struggled to keep up with the payments for years. I would think that NC will eventually replace the current defined-benefit plan that it pays an additional 9% into for each employee with a 401(k) matching contribution.

Perhaps some people would like to live in the past, but the rest of us are moving on. If you really want competitive benefits and pay for teachers, then get behind a solid voucher system to boost charter and private school access. Then we'll see a major improvement in the variety and quality of options for teachers.
If you go that route you are going to have increased competition with private and religious schools for personal. Teaching in most public schools is a lot more stressful but the tradeoff is the retirement and medical benefits.
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