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Old 10-26-2016, 09:17 AM
 
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There is just one person to blame for the US not having a single payer system - Senator Joe Liebermann
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Old 10-26-2016, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, CSA
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Two words:

Medicaid Expansion





Your GOP elected officials have refused to institute this component of the ACA that is essential for keeping costs manageable during the "startup years".

Problem. Some of the states that did expand medicaid have bigger increases for 2017 than NC.

Obamacare is the best the Dems could come up with while having a supermajority (60). The problem was they had to payoff and protect insurers,drug makers,hospitals and the AMA.
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Old 10-26-2016, 10:11 AM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Obamacare is the best the Dems could come up with while having a supermajority (60). The problem was they had to payoff and protect insurers,drug makers,hospitals and the AMA.
Wrong. They gave the Republicans what they said that they wanted. All through the campaigning of 2008 the Democrats said that they wanted single payer & the Republicans countered with Romneycare. All you had to do was turn on the TV to hear it.

When they started working on adapting Romneycare for national use the Democrats said that they were doing it to get a bipartisan bill. I heard that over & over.

The party of no doesn't care how many people are hurt by this, as long as they get their money. As to the states refusing to take the Medicaid extensions, they have blood on their hands for refusing to give healthcare to the working poor.
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Old 10-26-2016, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, CSA
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Wrong. They gave the Republicans what they said that they wanted. All through the campaigning of 2008 the Democrats said that they wanted single payer & the Republicans countered with Romneycare. All you had to do was turn on the TV to hear it.

When they started working on adapting Romneycare for national use the Democrats said that they were doing it to get a bipartisan bill. I heard that over & over.

The party of no doesn't care how many people are hurt by this, as long as they get their money. As to the states refusing to take the Medicaid extensions, they have blood on their hands for refusing to give healthcare to the working poor.

'gave the Republican what they wanted'? The Dems controlled Congress. They rushed it through before they knew there was a good chance they would loose control. Not a single Republican Senator voted for it. It was not a bipartisan bill.
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Old 10-26-2016, 10:40 AM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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'gave the Republican what they wanted'? The Dems controlled Congress. They rushed it through before they knew there was a good chance they would loose control. Not a single Republican Senator voted for it. It was not a bipartisan bill.
Their stated aim was bipartisan. The Republicans had harped on Romneycare throughout the campaign. Nancy Pelosi & others were questioned about the switch to Romneycare, repeatedly. IIRC, Arlen Specter & a female Senator from New England crossed the party line.
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Old 10-26-2016, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, CSA
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Their stated aim was bipartisan. The Republicans had harped on Romneycare throughout the campaign. Nancy Pelosi & others were questioned about the switch to Romneycare, repeatedly. IIRC, Arlen Specter & a female Senator from New England crossed the party line.

The aim may have been bipartisan. That's not how it turned out. Don't fret the big winners were the interests protected by their expensive lobbyists.
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Old 10-26-2016, 11:17 AM
 
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'gave the Republican what they wanted'? The Dems controlled Congress. They rushed it through before they knew there was a good chance they would loose control. Not a single Republican Senator voted for it. It was not a bipartisan bill.
Because "eff Obama" has been the ONLY thing Republicans have agreed on since 2008.

Not a very impressive platform to the critical public.
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Old 10-26-2016, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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In 2008, the Democrats were running on single payer. The Republicans were running on Romneycare. The Democrats went with nationalized Romneycare to appease the Republicans who were very bent that they lost. When they passed it they said that they knew that it needed work. The Republican contribution has been to waste money trying to repeal it about 60 times. They have offered exactly zero alternatives.

The refusal to take the expanded Medicaid is driving up the cost of insurance & is costing jobs.
again, a serious question - how much $$ have "the Republicans" wasted trying to repeal it...compared to the Medicaid expansion cost in NC alone?
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Old 10-26-2016, 03:43 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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again, a serious question - how much $$ have "the Republicans" wasted trying to repeal it...compared to the Medicaid expansion cost in NC alone?
Every time a bill is brought up for vote it goes to the government printing office. That costs money. After the 1st two or 3 times they might as well have gone out & stood in the middle of Pennsylvania Ave & lit money on fire.
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Old 10-26-2016, 04:06 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Obamacare should be looked at as a stopgap measure that will end in a single payer, medicare-for-all type plan. Everybody pony up 6% of their salary and we're off to the races! If you want to save a bit, let nurses and physician assistants write prescriptions. That would eliminate a third of doctor visits right there and could be done at a much lower price! No more $75 gauze pad charge and those $10 aspirin prices at the hospital as well! Hospital and Doctor's offices with "retail prices" online! Walmartization of medicine! This week only! Abortion or Tonsillectomy ....your choice ...only $99 with coupon!
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