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We relocated to Raleigh in 1984. Lived there until middle of 2017. That's a pretty long time. In all those years we never made a trip into Fayetteville. There was no predigest toward a military town as we relocated from Norfolk, Va, with a major military population.
There was just nothing to draw a person/family to Fayetteville. No sports, entertainment, great food, interesting destinations, etc.
We had reasons to visit many other areas within the state, Winston Salem (NCHS wrestling championships and Jimmy Buffett concert), Greensboro (ACC Tour), Charlotte (Nascar), Asheboro (zoo). This doesn't even include the areas like the coast that we visited many-many times that had the natural attraction of ocean, sounds, etc).
Perhaps the 'Woodpeckers' will be that little thing that gets people to go and spend some time in Fayetteville and find reasons to make return trips.
The Airborne and Special Ops Museum is supposed to be very good if you're into military history. I have driven past it many times. https://www.asomf.org/
Lol it's not "my" data, but okay. They are close enough to call a tie, but I definitely wouldn't call Durham conclusively more diverse. The eye test doesn't give that impression when in Durham, and the data certainly doesn't bear out that Durham is conclusively more diverse...
It would probably be more accurate to go off the demographics of the metro area rather than the city limits for diversity. I haven’t looked at the numbers but I’d wager that Charlotte and Durham become a lot less diverse than Fayetteville when the metro areas are taken into account. That’s why the eye test wouldn’t align with the numbers for the city limits alone most likely.
The Airborne and Special Ops Museum is supposed to be very good if you're into military history. I have driven past it many times. https://www.asomf.org/
It would probably be more accurate to go off the demographics of the metro area rather than the city limits for diversity. I haven’t looked at the numbers but I’d wager that Charlotte and Durham become a lot less diverse than Fayetteville when the metro areas are taken into account. That’s why the eye test wouldn’t align with the numbers for the city limits alone most likely.
You can go by the demographics of Durham County vs Cumberland County and I think you will get the same result. Durham is more diverse than Fayetteville. They are actually very similar cities in some ways, but Durham has Duke and Research Triangle Park and Fayetteville has Fort Bragg. If you were able to strip those away you would find very similar cities. Both are home to HBCUs.
You can go by the demographics of Durham County vs Cumberland County and I think you will get the same result. Durham is more diverse than Fayetteville. They are actually very similar cities in some ways, but Durham has Duke and Research Triangle Park and Fayetteville has Fort Bragg. If you were able to strip those away you would find very similar cities. Both are home to HBCUs.
You haven't provided any refutable evidence that Durham is more diverse than Fayetteville, but you keep saying it, so I assume you like hearing yourself speak...
The city of Fayetteville is slightly more diverse than the city of Durham. At worst you can call a draw but you can't say the city of Durham is more diverse than the city of Fayetteville...
If you want to extrapolate to Durham County vs Cumberland County, that is a virtual tie, even more a case for a draw on the county level than the city level. Again, there is no way you can say Durham Co overall is more diverse than Cumberland Co...
If you extrapolate to metro stats, it is a draw as well. "Draw", meaning some demographics favor Durham, some demographics favor Fayetteville, but on balance, they are equal...
Explain where you are finding that Durham is more diverse? I don't think anyone sees this except for you, and the data doesnt support your argument. The data, on a city level only, can support Fayetteville being more diverse than Durham, but otherwise and overall, they are pretty evenly matched in diversity. I'm beginning to believe your distaste of Fayetteville that is widely known has you trolling. I'm not the biggest Fayetteville supporter, but there is NO large city in NC that can outright claim to be more diverse, at best you can make the argument Durham or Charlotte are equal and right there with it...
77.3% of folks in Durham are white or black. The remaining 22.7% (or 22.6%, not sure on the rounding) are other races.
80.3% of people in Fayetteville are white or black. The remaining 19.7% are other races.
How are you getting that Fayetteville is more diverse??
Durham has 1.4% more white people than Fayetteville, but the percentage of white folks and black folks is closer in Durham than it is in Fayetteville. In Fayetteville there is a 4.3% gap in favor of more black folks. In Durham there is a 1.5% gap in favor of white folks. Now, if you meant where are there more black folks, then yes, Fayetteville wins, but if you meant where is the biggest mix of folks then it's Durham.
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Originally Posted by poppydog
I don't see that. Looks to me like Durham is more diverse with a closer percentage of black and white, more Hispanics, and more Asians.
City-Data stats:
Durham
Races in Durham, NC (2016)
39.4% White alone = 103,678
37.9% Black alone = 99,633
14.3% Hispanic= 37,572
5.3% Asian alone = 13,885
2.7% Two or more races = 7,194
0.1% American Indian alone = 392
0.1% Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone = 267
0.1% Other race alone = 368
Fayetteville
Races in Fayetteville, NC (2016)
42.3% Black alone = 86,560
38.0% White alone = 77,785
11.7% Hispanic = 23,953
4.3% Two or more races = 8,825
2.4% Asian alone = 4,982
0.9% American Indian alone = 1,869
0.2% Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone = 336
0.2% Other race alone = 467
There are other small towns like Lumberton with diverse racial makeup too.
37.3% Black alone = 7,992
35.8% White alone = 7,663
12.9% American Indian alone = 2,756
9.6% Hispanic = 2,067
1.7% Two or more races = 359
1.3% Asian alone = 273
0.6% Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone = 138
0.2% Other race alone = 45
And towns like Rocky Mount that have more black folks, but for diversity I don't think there is another city in the state that is as diverse as Durham.
77.3% of folks in Durham are white or black. The remaining 22.7% (or 22.6%, not sure on the rounding) are other races.
80.3% of people in Fayetteville are white or black. The remaining 19.7% are other races.
How are you getting that Fayetteville is more diverse??
Durham has 1.4% more white people than Fayetteville, but the percentage of white folks and black folks is closer in Durham than it is in Fayetteville. In Fayetteville there is a 4.3% gap in favor of more black folks. In Durham there is a 1.5% gap in favor of white folks. Now, if you meant where are there more black folks, then yes, Fayetteville wins, but if you meant where is the biggest mix of folks then it's Durham.
There are other small towns like Lumberton with diverse racial makeup too.
37.3% Black alone = 7,992
35.8% White alone = 7,663
12.9% American Indian alone = 2,756
9.6% Hispanic = 2,067
1.7% Two or more races = 359
1.3% Asian alone = 273
0.6% Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone = 138
0.2% Other race alone = 45
And towns like Rocky Mount that have more black folks, but for diversity I don't think there is another city in the state that is as diverse as Durham.
Post #17 on page 2 I laid out both cities in diversity to illustrate my view, so there is no need to speculate...
City-Data statistics are outdated, not the most current numbers available...
Durham and Fayetteville are close enough to call even...
I'm looking from 2017 OMB estimates. Compared to Durham:
Fayetteville is blacker (40.8% to 39.1%); Fayetteville has more Natives (0.9% to 0.2%); Fayetteville has more Islanders (0.5% to 0.1%); Fayetteville has more people from other races (0.4% to 0.2%); and Fayetteville has more multiracial people (3.9% to 2.5%)...
Durham is whiter (38.8% to 37.9%) and more Latino (14% to 12.5%). More people speak a language other than English as their first language in Durham (22.5% to 12%), and Durham has more foreign born (15.1% to 7%), but keep in mind that Durham is also home to a globally renowned university that attracts both foreign students and teachers. Fayetteville has more foreign born Europeans, Asians, and Oceanic peoples than Durham...
Using the CensusReporter numbers:
Fayetteville
White 37.9% ±1.7% 79,578
Black 40.8% ±1.6% 85,732
Native 0.9%†±0.3% 1,784
Asian 3.1%†±0.7% 6,478
Islander 0.5%†±0.1% 1,112
Other 0.4%†±0.2% 837
Two+ 3.9%†±0.9% 8,135
Hispanic 12.5% ±1.1% 26,257
Durham
White 38.8% ±0.5% 99,726
Black 39.1% ±0.4% 100,587
Native 0.2%†±0.1% 586
Asian 5.1% ±0.2% 13,216
Islander 0.1%†±0.0% 120
Other 0.2%†±0.1% 578
Two+ 2.5%†±0.3% 6,500
Hispanic 14.0% ±0.3% 35,919
This just illustrates that Durham is more diverse. If you mean that there are more non-white people in Fayetteville then Rocky Mount beats both of 'em. I am interpreting "diversity" to mean that there is the biggest mix of people and to me Durham wins out clearly. 21.3% of people are not in the white or black category for Fayetteville. For Durham, if I did the math right, that number is 22.1%. I can't see where you get that Fayetteville is more diverse. It is very diverse but Durham is a few percentage points more so.
I'm sure it could change in the next few years. Maybe it already has and they just don't have the data for it. But from these numbers Durham is more diverse.
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