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Lots of CTE courses like Network and Computer Engineering, SolidWorks, etc. where advanced degrees are extremely helpful. I have an advanced engineering degree which was very beneficial for teaching high school Network Engineering courses. Until you are teaching in today's world/landscape, best advice is stick to what you know or give it a shot and get back to me.
Not sure why you think an advanced degree in any discipline wouldn't be beneficial to mastering the subject matter. Bet lots of private and charter schools have teachers with advanced degrees...even the NC School of Science and Math, etc. You are damn clueless and that kind of thinking is totally ass backwards.
Yeah definitely can't wrap my head around the reasoning for having a masters to teach 2+2=4. Or a gym/"art" teacher. Seems like a waste of resources to me.
Put the money where it would be beneficial, pay lower ed teachers less with less degree requirements lowering their barrier to entry and as coursework gets more difficult ramp up the salary. My post addressed all of the above. This isn't hard.
there you go again, regurgitating talking points without any real substance behind them. Are these points you believe this time, or just playing devils advocate?
They're not "talking points" ...they're the reality of the situation for many teachers these days. I lived in NJ for most of my life and never considered that teachers were paid poorly. They aren't! But even relative to local income, teachers are underpaid in this state and part of the low rating of NC schools is due to this fact. If you're content with this fact, then you won't mind ...that in the educational quality ranking of students by state, North Carolina will be one of the states bringing up the rear!
Yeah definitely can't wrap my head around the reasoning for having a masters to teach 2+2=4. Or a gym/"art" teacher. Seems like a waste of resources to me.
Put the money where it would be beneficial, pay lower ed teachers less with less degree requirements lowering their barrier to entry and as coursework gets more difficult ramp up the salary. My post addressed all of the above. This isn't hard.
Teaching is hard, very hard, especially kids. So, you'd rather your kids be taught by less educated teachers with similar years of experience. Surely you jest...lol. This is approaching a level of ignorance I cannot speak. I betcha every one of dem GA jackasses that voted against paying public schools for higher level degrees send their kids to the best schools with the most educated and experienced teachers. it's nonsensical because it's almost a drop in the bucket. What other resources? Tax breaks for the yacht club members?
Teaching is hard, very hard, especially kids. So, you'd rather your kids be taught by less educated teachers with similar years of experience. Surely you jest...lol. This is approaching a level of ignorance I cannot speak. I betcha every one of dem GA jackasses that voted against paying public schools for higher level degrees send their kids to the best schools with the most educated and experienced teachers. it's nonsensical because it's almost a drop in the bucket. What other resources? Tax breaks for the yacht club members?
Actually if you read this paper by the department of education you'll find they found exactly what I stated - that teachers did not perform any better with a masters degree in general studies.
However, as I stated up thread, teachers with advanced degrees in their specific higher level courses (10th grade) in math and sciences, had a statistical correlation with higher student achievement.
They make the argument that it is counterproductive and an improper use of money to pay ALL teachers more with advanced degrees and does not give a better outcome in education levels.
They're not "talking points" ...they're the reality of the situation for many teachers these days. I lived in NJ for most of my life and never considered that teachers were paid poorly. They aren't! But even relative to local income, teachers are underpaid in this state and part of the low rating of NC schools is due to this fact. If you're content with this fact, then you won't mind ...that in the educational quality ranking of students by state, North Carolina will be one of the states bringing up the rear!
you're not even using facts laid out right in front of you.
On educational quality, we're 32nd (if I'm remembering what I linked you last week). that's middle of the pack, not "low rated".
You live outside CLT in Union County, yes? Union County is the 7th highest income per capita in the state, so it's not a poor county.
The median wage in Union County is $33,300. The median age is 38.
A teacher in NC with 15 years experience (about 38) makes $45,500 - $51,000 from the state. In Union County, they get an extra $4,000 - $5,500.
Feel free to do the same googling I have in order to provide something to your argument besides a WalletHub article that you misstate what it's even saying.
Actually if you read this paper by the department of education you'll find they found exactly what I stated - that teachers did not perform any better with a masters degree in general studies.
However, as I stated up thread, teachers with advanced degrees in their specific higher level courses (10th grade) in math and sciences, had a statistical correlation with higher student achievement.
They make the argument that it is counterproductive and an improper use of money to pay ALL teachers more with advanced degrees and does not give a better outcome in education levels.
man, more facts. Of course, those are 1996 facts, so it's about time to update them.
I'm still willing to pay even the K teachers the masters stipend though.
The NCGA didn't do away with it because they read the study. They did away with it because we had a gigantic hole in the state budget, and a constitutional requirement to have a balanced budget.
Actually if you read this paper by the department of education you'll find they found exactly what I stated - that teachers did not perform any better with a masters degree in general studies.
However, as I stated up thread, teachers with advanced degrees in their specific higher level courses (10th grade) in math and sciences, had a statistical correlation with higher student achievement.
They make the argument that it is counterproductive and an improper use of money to pay ALL teachers more with advanced degrees and does not give a better outcome in education levels.
wheelsup - As for teachers with Master's degrees and above, more recent articles paint a more nuanced picture.
Better pay for teachers in NC can help retain them to the point where their experience makes them better teachers. The articles also point out that teachers who went to better schools tend to be better teachers.
Better pay attracts higher-achieving students as well!
If you have a full-ride scholarship for Barney Fife Community College to be a teacher or to Harvard for investment banking, it's not much of a decision. "Show me the money" trumps "it's for the children" every time!
The No Child Left Behind program initiated by George Bush in the 2000s, while flawed and underfunded, pointed out glaring inadequacies in the curriculum between states and school districts within states. Pre-K classes help to make poorer students start grammar school on a more equal footing with their wealthier suburban counterparts. These improvements cost money.
No matter how you feel about schools, it's certainly better to try to develop educated citizens than to pay for prisons to house its failures! It's cheaper in the long run!
Even with this careful attention to selection bias, we confirm the findings of prior studies
showing that teachers with master’s degrees are no more effective than those without. The only
consistently positive effect of attaining a master’s degree emerging from this study relates not to
student test scores but rather to lower student absentee rates in middle school.
I look forward to reading the part of the study that asserts this, because I sure don't even understand what it means...
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Better pay attracts higher-achieving students as well!
If you have a full-ride scholarship for Barney Fife Community College to be a teacher or to Harvard for investment banking, it's not much of a decision. "Show me the money" trumps "it's for the children" every time!
unless you're trying to say that teachers teach because that's what they were able to get educated to do, since they couldn't qualify for that elusive "Investment Banking Scholarship at Harvard". Which is absurd.
wait a minute....Harvard doesn't have IB schollies...or ANY for that matter.
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As an Ivy League institution, Harvard does not offer athletic or academic scholarships to students. However, Harvard does provide need-based financial aid to those students who demonstrate financial need. To learn more about applying for financial aid at Harvard, visit https://college.harvard.edu/financial-aid.
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