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"Dense" as in hard to understand a certain concept.
The former poster was being sarcastic about the word "dense". I am quite sure Raleigh understands the concept of MLS, as well. And Raleigh does understand the concept of commuter rail and BRT.
One interesting thing I will note about the differences between Raleigh and Charlotte. The core of the Charlotte region is definitely more developed than the core of Raleigh (I believe Raleigh is actually more dense), but if you look at the outlying cities and counties in each region, the Triangle certainly has the most momentum. Johnston, Chatham, Franklin, Warren, Granville, Harnett, Sampson, and even Nash counties are seeing much more interest and development than the suburban counties in the Charlotte region.
This leads me to speculate that the Triangle metro (CSA) will eventually overtake the Charlotte metro in population, similar to how Wake County is now more populous than Mecklenburg.
Im not sure how anyone would come to that conclusion given the growth rates of the counties over the last decade. Leaving off Wake, Meck, and Durham counties for reference.
Cabarrus County (Charlotte MSA)- 27% growth
Chatham County (Triangle CSA) - 20% growth
Franklin County (Triangle CSA) - 13% growth
Granville County (Triangle CSA)- 2% growth
Gaston County (Charlotte MSA) - 11% growth
Harnett County (Fayetteville MSA) - 16% growth
Iredell County (Charlotte MSA) -17% growth
Johnston County (Triangle CSA) - 28% growth
Lincoln County (Charlotte MSA) - 11% growth
Orange County (Triangle CSA) - 11% growth
Union County (Charlotte MSA) -18% growth
York County SC (Charlotte MSA) -23% growth
Warren County( Not adjoined) - --11% decline
Sampson County(Not adjoined) - -7% decline
Nash County( Not adjoined) - -1% decline
This leads me to speculate that the Triangle metro (CSA) will eventually overtake the Charlotte metro in population, similar to how Wake County is now more populous than Mecklenburg.
Assuming the 2010 - 2020 growth rates stay constant, by 2050 the Charlotte CSA would have 5.3 million people and the Triangle would have 4.6 million people. By 2090.... in theory... the Charlotte CSA would have 8.7 million people and the Triangle would have 8.2 million people.
If the Charlotte CSA saw its growth rate drop a whole 5 percentage points and the Triangle's growth remained constant, the population rank would flip between 2060 and 2070.
With declining birth rates and slowing population growth... anybody's guess at what type of numbers the areas will be posting 40 years from now... people may be fleeing and moving for greener pastures and less crowds if Charlotte and the Triangle are cities of 5 million people in the future.
One interesting thing I will note about the differences between Raleigh and Charlotte. The core of the Charlotte region is definitely more developed than the core of Raleigh (I believe Raleigh is actually more dense), but if you look at the outlying cities and counties in each region, the Triangle certainly has the most momentum. Johnston, Chatham, Franklin, Warren, Granville, Harnett, Sampson, and even Nash counties are seeing much more interest and development than the suburban counties in the Charlotte region.
This leads me to speculate that the Triangle metro (CSA) will eventually overtake the Charlotte metro in population, similar to how Wake County is now more populous than Mecklenburg.
What's interesting is the following.....
Charlotte MSA
197,052 population 1950
1,162,140 population 1990
1,321,068 population 1996
Triad MSA
337,192 population 1950
1,050,304 population 1990
1,141,238 population 1996
Triangle
238,089 population 1950
858,485 population 1990
1,025,253 population 1996
CSA's 2020
Charlotte 2,822,352
Triad 1,695,306
Triangle 2,106,463
The information above illustrates how Charlotte (the state's former third-tier metro area in population) rose to the rank of number 1; and then began to pull away. The future is unknown, but the past is well documented. And on a side note, Atlanta and Birmingham were peers back in the 1940s and 1950s. Once Atlanta reached the level of mass transit expansion, multiple pro sports teams, and skyscraper construction constantly; it was "game over" for Birmingham. Just saying....
Charlotte MSA
197,052 population 1950
1,162,140 population 1990
1,321,068 population 1996
Triad MSA
337,192 population 1950
1,050,304 population 1990
1,141,238 population 1996
Triangle
238,089 population 1950
858,485 population 1990
1,025,253 population 1996
CSA's 2020
Charlotte 2,822,352
Triad 1,695,306
Triangle 2,106,463
The information above illustrates how Charlotte (the state's former third-tier metro area in population) rose to the rank of number 1; and then began to pull away. The future is unknown, but the past is well documented. And on a side note, Atlanta and Birmingham were peers back in the 1940s and 1950s. Once Atlanta reached the level of mass transit expansion, multiple pro sports teams, and skyscraper construction constantly; it was "game over" for Birmingham. Just saying....
Is the implication here that the Triangle (or even the Triad) is the "Birmingham" of NC?
I'll give the benefit of the doubt that such was not the implication because that would be.....very silly.
Is the implication here that the Triangle (or even the Triad) is the "Birmingham" of NC?
I'll give the benefit of the doubt that such was not the implication because that would be.....very silly.
They are absolutely not the Birminghams or Montgomery's of North Carolina. However, they both were metros that were quite a bit larger than Metro Charlotte not long ago......
Things have shifted drastically since the 1950s. Progress energy wachovia bank, and BB&t Bank have all relocated to Charlotte. Wake Forest University is building a major medical school and medical campus in Charlotte. Many people today might think that Charlotte is the state's big Metro that is about to be overtaken but the truth is that Charlotte is the small Metro that overtook two and it's pulling away
They are absolutely not the Birminghams or Montgomery's of North Carolina. However, they both were metros that were quite a bit larger than Metro Charlotte not long ago......
Things have shifted drastically since the 1950s. Progress energy wachovia bank, and BB&t Bank have all relocated to Charlotte. Wake Forest University is building a major medical school and medical campus in Charlotte. Many people today might think that Charlotte is the state's big Metro that is about to be overtaken but the truth is that Charlotte is the small Metro that overtook two and it's pulling away
I know that many of you Charlotte homers want to believe (and desperately want others to believe) that Charlotte is pulling away, but it's not. Of course there have been the successes of BOA, Duke Energy, and other corporate expansions in the past that have bolstered Charlotte's image and economics, but in recent years the Triangle has been on a tear in terms of economic growth and major corporate expansions.
"Pulling away" is not the phrase that most sensible people would use to describe the current state of things. "Trying to stay relevant" is more accurate.
I know that many of you Charlotte homers want to believe (and desperately want others to believe) that Charlotte is pulling away, but it's not. Of course there have been the successes of BOA, Duke Energy, and other corporate expansions in the past that have bolstered Charlotte's image and economics, but in recent years the Triangle has been on a tear in terms of economic growth and major corporate expansions.
"Pulling away" is not the phrase that most sensible people would use to describe the current state of things. "Trying to stay relevant" is more accurate.
Why derail another thread because both of you are biased in your opinion & assumptions that have zero to do with this thread
Charlotte MSA
197,052 population 1950
1,162,140 population 1990
1,321,068 population 1996
Triad MSA
337,192 population 1950
1,050,304 population 1990
1,141,238 population 1996
Triangle
238,089 population 1950
858,485 population 1990
1,025,253 population 1996
CSA's 2020
Charlotte 2,822,352
Triad 1,695,306
Triangle 2,106,463
The information above illustrates how Charlotte (the state's former third-tier metro area in population) rose to the rank of number 1; and then began to pull away. The future is unknown, but the past is well documented. And on a side note, Atlanta and Birmingham were peers back in the 1940s and 1950s. Once Atlanta reached the level of mass transit expansion, multiple pro sports teams, and skyscraper construction constantly; it was "game over" for Birmingham. Just saying....
The 1950 Charlotte MSA population is just Mecklenburg County alone. In a comparison over time, how is this relevant?
Using the current CSA counties for each of the three, here are the numbers based on info that I pulled for county counts of each CSA, and population for each county from Wikipedia for 1950, and I apologize for any math errors or mistakes that may be on that page for listed counties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_...tistical_areas
2020:
Charlotte: 2,822,352 (+1,979,953 or 235% growth since 1950)
Triad: 1,695,306 (+1,004,364 or 145% growth since 1950)
Triangle: 2,106,463 (+1,623,084 or 336% growth since 1950)
Let's not pretend that Charlotte rose from third place to #1 today. Using a stable area definition of each CSA, it was #1 in 1950 as well. The only CSA that has risen since 1950 is the Triangle: it displaced the Triad.
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