How "southern" is NC these days? (racist, race)

[uncletupelo]

Confederate Memorial Day is still an observed state holiday on May 10th. That is the day that we proud natives remember our fallen heroes that died fighting under the flag of the CSA in the war of northern aggression. We shall never forget how the yankees raped our women, burned our towns and stole our family silver. Sherman is burning in hell. On May 10th I will remember Lee, Stonewall, Nate Forrest, Steven Dodson Ramseur and all of the badass southern leaders. If you want a history lesson, just read about Nathan Bedford Forrest. The only inlisted man to ever become a General. He killed 40 yankees with his bare hands and had almost 50 horses shot out from under him. He is studied at West Point and worldwide to this day for his tactics. Most credit Gen Forrest with creating gorilla warfare. He is famous for his battle tactic of First With The Most. Look away. God bless the CSA.

[zthatzmanz28]

Originally Posted by uncletupelo

If you want a history lesson, just read about Nathan Bedford Forrest. The only inlisted man to ever become a General. He killed 40 yankees with his bare hands and had almost 50 horses shot out from under him. He is studied at West Point and worldwide to this day for his tactics. Most credit Gen Forrest with creating gorilla warfare. He is famous for his battle tactic of First With The Most. Look away. God bless the CSA.

Uncle, I had always thought it was the American Indians that used these tactics when COUNTING COUP and were the model for guerrilla warfare in the USA. Guerrrilla warfare was also used very successfully by some colonists in the French-Indian war--who learned it from the real Americans.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting_coup


Hopefully we will have a nationl holiday in honor of NATHAN BEDFORD FOREST..

Nathan Bedford Forrest (July 13, 1821 – October 29, 1877) was a lieutenant general in the Confederate Army during the American Civil War. He is remembered both as a self made and innovative cavalry leader during the war and as a figure in the postwar establishment of the first Ku Klux Klan organization opposing the reconstruction era in the South.
A cavalry and military commander in the war, Forrest is also one of the war's most unusual figures. A crude man who had made his fortune as a slave trader, was noted for his violence. He was one of the very few in either army to enlist as a private and end the war at the rank of general. Forrest discovered and established new doctrines for mobile forces, earning the nickname The Wizard of the Saddle.[1] He was accused of responsibility for war crimes at the Battle of Fort Pillow for leading Confederate soldiers in a massacre of unarmed black Union Army prisoners, but in the face of conflicting evidence was later cleared by the US Congress.[2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest

History of guerrilla warfare

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare

Since Classical Antiquity, when many strategies and tactics were used to fight foreign occupation that anticipated the modern guerrilla. An early example was the hit-and-run tactics employed by the nomadic Scythians of Central Asia against Darius the Great's Persian Achaemenid Empire and later against Alexander the Great's Macedonian Empire. The Fabian strategy applied by the Roman Republic against Hannibal in the Second Punic War could be considered another early example of guerrilla tactics: After witnessing several disastrous defeats, assassinations and raiding parties, the Romans set aside the typical military doctrine of crushing the enemy in a single battle and initiated a successful, albeit unpopular, war of attrition against the Carthaginians that lasted for 14 years. In expanding their own Empire, the Romans encountered numerous examples of guerrilla resistance to their legions as well.[4] The success of Judas Maccabeus in his rebellion against Seleucid rule was at least partly due to his mastery of irregular warfare.
The victory of the Basque forces against Charlemagne's army in the Battle of Roncevaux Pass, which gave birth to the Medieval myth of Roland, was due to effective use of a guerrilla principles in the mountain terrain of the Pyrenees.[citation needed] Mongols also faced irregulars composed of armed peasants in Hungary after the Battle of Mohi. In the 15th century, Vietnamese leader Le Loi launched a guerrilla war against Chinese.[5] One of the most successful guerrilla wars against the invading Ottomans was led by Gjergj Kastrioti Skanderbeg from 1443 to 1468. In 1443 he rallied Albanian forces and drove the Turks from his homeland. For 25 years Skanderbeg kept the Turks from retaking Albania, which due to its proximity to Italy, could easily have served as a springboard to the rest of Europe.[6] In 1462, the Ottomans were driven back by Wallachian prince Vlad III Dracula. Vlad was unable to stop the Turks from entering Wallachia, so he resorted to guerrilla war, constantly organizing small attacks and ambushes on the Turks.[7] During The Deluge in Poland guerrilla tactics were applied.[8] In the 100 years war between England and France, commander Bertrand du Guesclin used guerrilla tactics to pester the English invaders. The Frisian warlord, folk hero, legendary warrior and freedom fighter Pier Gerlofs Donia fought a guerrilla against Philip I of Castile[9] and after him against Charles V.[10]. So did his nephew and co-commander Wijerd Jelckama.[11]
During the Dutch Revolt of the 16th century, the Geuzen waged a guerrilla war against the Spanish Empire.[12] During the Scanian War, a pro-Danish guerrilla group known as the Snapphane fought against the Swedes. In 17th century Ireland, Irish irregulars called tories and rapparees used guerrilla warfare in the Irish Confederate Wars and the Williamite war in Ireland. Finnish guerrillas, sissis, fought against Russian occupation troops in the Great Northern War, 1710-1721. The Russians retaliated brutally against the civilian populace; the period is called Isoviha (Grand Hatred) in Finland.




I need to read more I guess...


Lastly, deep raids by conventional cavalry forces were often considered 'irregular' in nature. The "Partisan Brigades" of Nathan Bedford Forrest and John Hunt Morgan operated as part of the cavalry forces of the Confederate Army of Tennessee in 1862 and 1863. They were given specific missions to destroy logistical hubs, railroad bridges, and other strategic targets to support the greater mission of the Army of Tennessee.

[buck43]

So many confuse what a true southerner really is. not all southerners are rednecks and not all rednecks are southerners. Same with farmers and bankers, factory workers and coastal fishermen. You cant tell a southerner by their accent, just listen to a coastal native as opposed to a western piedmont native. If you ask a question to a stranger in the south one might answer yessir or nosir, another might answer yep or nope. I was born and raised in north carolina, in the country, on a farm. I still live on the very land I was raised on and it is still country. I have friends from nyc and relatives married in from wva and I can tell you they are not southern. I can live off the land if I had too but have southern friends who wouldnt survive a week without walmart or food lion. True southerners are known for three things, hospitality, manners, and tradition. So please when you think of a southerner, think of the mildmannered upstanding hospitipal people of the south and not the racist criminally minded degenerates that we are so often confused with. And contrary to what the history books would like you to believe the civil war was not fought over slavery, that was thrown in the mix by lincoln in an attempt to sway the war in the norths favor. The war was fought over industrialization.

[doctorjef]

Uncletupelo: it's guerrilla war, not "gorilla war". The term means "little war" - nothing to do with large African primates.

As to the charge of Northern atrocities, I'm sure some atrocities did occur. It's a lamentable fact of human nature that some people are sociopaths and others have sufficient weakness of conscience that what moral inhibitions they do possess can readily break down under the influence of war, bad peers and bad leadership. Crimes occur in war as anywhere else because it is the human population that engages in the evil of war. Confederate Memorial Day would best be kept by remembering the sacrifice of the dead and lamenting the mentality that leads to war generally. Surely the American Civil War was as much a War of Southern Secession as of "Northern Aggression". It's disingenuous to pretend that Southern politicians didn't act precipitously and recklessly.

[uncletupelo]

Sorry Doc to use a word incorrectly on a internet message board. Relax. People make mistakes.

[macjr82]

Originally Posted by Akhenaton06

It is. You've just got to understand that there's a rural version of Southernness and an urban version as well. It's always been that way in the South, although for some reason we like to equate rural with Southern when it's not quite that simple.

reminds me of a quote that an Atlantean once said "people think we're country, but we're only southern"

alot of people don't know the difference

[Paper]

Originally Posted by uncletupelo

We shall never forget how the yankees raped our women, burned our towns and stole our family silver. Sherman is burning in hell.

You are lucky your black residents have forgotten a thing or two

[uncletupelo]

Do a little reading buddy. What I said is true. Lincoln's family owned slaves. Slaves were not freed in the north after the War. Did you get your history from a liberal yankee school book?

[Paper]

Originally Posted by uncletupelo

Do a little reading buddy. What I said is true. Lincoln's family owned slaves. Slaves were not freed in the north after the War. Did you get your history from a liberal yankee school book?

Again, you will never forget (family silver? sheesh), but you are lucky (we are all lucky) that our black brothers and sisters have forgotten

It has nothing to do with who freed whom or who owned whom.

It is 2009.

You seem to be holding on to such hatred for the North. Let it go, Sweetie. Let it go.

Oh, by the way, it is called the Civil War. It only makes you seem bitter when you call it anything else

[celgos]

Originally Posted by Paper

Again, you will never forget (family silver? sheesh), but you are lucky (we are all lucky) that our black brothers and sisters have forgotten

It has nothing to do with who freed whom or who owned whom.

It is 2009.

You seem to be holding on to such hatred for the North. Let it go, Sweetie. Let it go.

Oh, by the way, it is called the Civil War. It only makes you seem bitter when you call it anything else

It's unfortunate you have forgotten, apparently..

Black Confederate Soldiers

Black Confederates in the Civil War

It's called the civil war by northerners because you don't know the cause of it.