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Old 05-14-2009, 04:17 PM
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My concern is in dictating to a business owner what clientele he has to exclude from his business model.
Why is it assumed business owners are going to lose customers? If they leave, it's pure retaliation. Why can't a smoker just step outside and have a smoke when he/she feels the need? They already do that at work don't they? It's been a long time since we smoked at our desks people!

 
Old 05-14-2009, 04:18 PM
 
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I'm in the camp that is extremely against smoking bans because it is essentially telling a business owner how to run his or her business. We are all free to express our displeasure with a business by doing several things including explaining why we choose to not spend money there, go elsewhere, or we could just deal with it.
I agree 1000000% and I don't smoke. The Government telling a private business what is allowed in their establishment is just one more step toward socialism in our country.

If you don't like smoke don't go to the restaurant. It's that easy.

If restaurants think they are losing business by allowing smokers in they can chose to place a "NO SMOKING" sign on their door.
 
Old 05-14-2009, 04:19 PM
 
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Why is it assumed business owners are going to lose customers? If they leave, it's pure retaliation. Why can't a smoker just step outside and have a smoke when he/she feels the need? They already do that at work don't they? It's been a long time since we smoked at our desks people!
But did the business make that guideline that smoking isn't allowed in their building or the Government? BIG BIG difference.
 
Old 05-14-2009, 04:27 PM
 
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I'll cut down my dining out from two or three meals a week, to one or two a month. Maximum.

I hope all smokers do the same thing.
May I suggest an outdoor barbecue
 
Old 05-14-2009, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Ayrsley
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I support it and quite capable of making my own choices ty kindly. One could say the same about being too lazy to go out on the patio or outside for 5 mins to smoke. Oh but wait you might be too lazy.
Not the same thing. Sorry - thank you for playing.

As a smoker I can choose to either, go to a place where I can smoke inside, or choose to go to a non-smoking establishment where, if I would like to have a smoke, I can step outside for a moment. Just like you can choose to go to a smoking or non-smoking establishment, based on your preferences. Those are called choices. Once you start introducing the concept of, "well the smoker can drag his lazy butt outside," you're no longer dealing with the concept of personal choice because it assumes the place will be non-smoking to begin with (ergo - no choice is involved, at least as it pertains to this discussion).

BTW - I see a smoker who goes into a non-smoking place, and then complains about having to go outside to smoke, as being as illogical as the non-smoker who chooses to go to a smoking establishment and complain about that.

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Heck in the area we lived you could not smoke in a car with a minor.
I don't think I would have a problem with that one on the books. I've been having a smoke in the "fishbowl" smoking lounges they have in some airports. A couple actually walked in to one to light up with a small child in tow on one occasion...I actually said something to them (and I wasn't the only one).
 
Old 05-14-2009, 04:31 PM
 
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I'll cut down my dining out from two or three meals a week, to one or two a month. Maximum.

I hope all smokers do the same thing.
LOL! With all of the people that will start going out now that it will be smoke free, your empty space will be appreciated.
 
Old 05-14-2009, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Just speaking in hypotheticals, because I like to be positive:

What if a business owner received a lot of complaints about the smoking, but they were too afraid of angering the smokers or losing them as customers to enforce any kind of rule? Because I would definitely think that anyone in this economic climate would not want to rock the boat in any way if they are currently successful. Now they don't have to be "the bad guy", the smokers won't fault the establishment, and they get to possibly attract new customers...
 
Old 05-14-2009, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Partisanship Is An Intellectual/Emotional Handicap
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May I suggest an outdoor barbecue

Nope, I'm cutting my spending on dining out by 98%.

I'll keep my money.
 
Old 05-14-2009, 04:33 PM
 
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LOL! With all of the people that will start going out now that it will be smoke free, your empty space will be appreciated.
Cool. Enjoy.

For me, I'll kep my money.
 
Old 05-14-2009, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Concord, NC
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Im very happy about this! Its been this way in CT for years now and people adjusted!
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