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Unread 05-14-2009, 04:14 PM
 
Location: america
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My lung thanks you....

 
Unread 05-14-2009, 04:21 PM
 
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Smokers should be glad to know that smoking has not been banned in private businesses. Guess it is just partial fascism.
 
Unread 05-14-2009, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Whew! I'm so glad we don't live in a fascist country. Comparing a smoking ban to fascism is ridiculous. I understand the nonsupport of some business owners due to the desire to run one's business how one chooses...but having a smoking ban does NOT equal fascism. Now if we reinstated the "whites only" sections, that would be fascism. Thank goodness that's over!

Better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
ROFL. This thread has become unintentionally hilarious. Thanks, C-D!

(And for the record, Charlotte has an INTERNATIONAL airport with flights leaving every day around the clock to countries with real problems...)

Just wait: I predict somewhere around page 8 of this thread, someone will bring up Nazis!

And I'm too tired to backread: did someone already mention socialism? Or is that destined for page 5 or so? What about perfume? Thongs?

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Originally Posted by vindaloo
LOL! With all of the people that will start going out now that it will be smoke free, your empty space will be appreciated.
Hey vindaloo, will you promise with me to go out twice as much so that we cancel out the two or so people in this thread who said they aren't going out any more?
 
Unread 05-14-2009, 04:42 PM
 
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And here comes the next round: Tax cigarettes, alcohol, junk food to pay for health care reform?

"Several experts are suggesting taxes on bad behavior, including a $2 dollar tax on a pack of cigarettes and a higher excise tax on alcohol."

Cafferty File: Tell Jack how you really feel Blog Archive - Tax cigarettes, alcohol, junk food to pay for health care reform? « - Blogs from CNN.com
 
Unread 05-14-2009, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Partisanship Is An Intellectual/Emotional Handicap
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Whew! I'm so glad we don't live in a fascist country. Comparing a smoking ban to fascism is ridiculous. I understand the nonsupport of some business owners due to the desire to run one's business how one chooses...but having a smoking ban does NOT equal fascism. Now if we reinstated the "whites only" sections, that would be fascism. Thank goodness that's over!

Better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Then you don't comprehend what fascism really is.

That last sentence of yours...........speaks for itself. Or should I say, yourself.
 
Unread 05-14-2009, 05:12 PM
 
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Default sweet

When does it start?
 
Unread 05-14-2009, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Blue Ridge Mtns of NC
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When does it start?
January 2, 2010
 
Unread 05-14-2009, 05:38 PM
 
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Now of course Wikipedia isn't always totally reliable, but I imagine in your case it is acceptable. Here you go :

Fascism is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascism is also a corporatist economic ideology.[5] Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[6] Fascists believe that nations and races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in combat against the weak.[7] Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement.[8] Fascism opposes class conflict and blames capitalist liberal democracies for creating class conflict and in turn blames communists for exploiting class conflict.[9] No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any concise definition.[10]

Please educate yourself. You can't actually debate a subject if you don't even know the definition of what you are debating. Should I point out that since we live in a country where we have a representative democracy that our "decision makers" are elected by the majority, and those representatives are the ones who passed the smoking ban - undoubtedly because they heard from their constituents that a ban was the desire of the majority?

Am I talking over your head here, or do you remember high school history and government?
 
Unread 05-14-2009, 05:44 PM
 
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here is a good link for you NMyTree, and anyone else who thinks we live in a fascist country.

Fascism Anyone? The 14 characteristics of Fascism
 
Unread 05-14-2009, 06:04 PM
 
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here is a good link for you NMyTree, and anyone else who thinks we live in a fascist country.

Fascism Anyone? The 14 characteristics of Fascism
hahaha...did you read these 14 characteristics of fascism? LMAO!!

What country do you live in?



1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

Uh, hello! The last eight years? And basically our whole existence? USA! USA! USA! "If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists!"




2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -- Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to 'look the other way' or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Oh man! Corproate abuses up the wazooo....Government/military abuses ...up the wazooo. Nah, not in our country


3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.


Again.......Hello!?!?!? Sound familiar? "Them damn Injuns....them damn muslims.....them damn communists......" Ring a bell for you? Check you ears.



4. Supremacy of the Military -- Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.


Sheesh, this one sticks out like a sore thumb!

5. Rampant Sexism -- The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and antigay legislation and national policy.


hahaha.....nah, not the good 'ole USA! Oh man!


6. Controlled Mass Media -- Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or through sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very common.


7. Obsession with National Security -- Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -- Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.


9. Corporate Power is Protected -- The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.


10. Labor Power is Suppressed -- Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely or are severely suppressed.


11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -- Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.


12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -- Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses, and even forego civil liberties, in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.


13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -- Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions, and who use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.


14. Fraudulent Elections -- Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against (or even the assassination of) opposition candidates, the use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and the manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Everything on this list describes this country!

You may want to brush up on your education and awareness, coastalgirl.

What a silly girl.
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