Smoking ban passes (business, party, tobacco)

[sophialee]

Originally Posted by coastalgirl

here is a good link for you NMyTree, and anyone else who thinks we live in a fascist country.

Fascism Anyone? The 14 characteristics of Fascism

Did you know that many of the Fascist regimes (oh and to the other poster, the Nazis were Fascists so in essence the have already been brought up) led very stringent anti-smoking campaigns? Have you seen any of the Nazi anti-smoking propaganda?

You think they really cared about *public health*? No they didn't, it was a stepping stone. A stepping stone to condition people to accept control over their personal rights.

So there's a little high school government lesson for you.

[bibit612]

Originally Posted by CVP

Why is it assumed business owners are going to lose customers? If they leave, it's pure retaliation. Why can't a smoker just step outside and have a smoke when he/she feels the need? They already do that at work don't they? It's been a long time since we smoked at our desks people!

We were at Steve & Kelly's in Tega Cay last Friday, and yes they lost business to the bar in Steele Creek just off 160 when the ban took effect in Tega and Fort Mill. But now that the ban is in NC, I guess the owner gets his customers back. He is in the process of refurbishing his patio, with umbrellas in the summer and heaters in the winter to cater to his smoking customers. The bar was practically empty when we went...it looks like the bar customers will go outside to smoke and leave the bar inside empty except when people play pool and the arcade games (which he added subsequently). Everytime we went there in the past, almost all of his customers smoke. Maybe you should interview bar owners every now and then instead of also assuming that they will not lose business.

[NCyank]

Originally Posted by drew0020

Im very happy about this! Its been this way in CT for years now and people adjusted!

Frogs in a pot....

[NMyTree]

Originally Posted by sophialee

Did you know that many of the Fascist regimes (oh and to the other poster, the Nazis were Fascists so in essence the have already been brought up) led very stringent anti-smoking campaigns? Have you seen any of the Nazi anti-smoking propaganda?

You think they really cared about *public health*? No they didn't, it was a stepping stone. A stepping stone to condition people to accept control over their personal rights.

So there's a little high school government lesson for you.

[coastalgirl]

wow. I really don't know what perceived country you guys live in. our government are now fascist nazis who want to control our every move (oh, and promote the supremacy of white, rich MEN only), and are starting, in the year 2009, with a ban of smoking in bars and restaurants in North Carolina. What of the other 23 states with smoking bans? same agenda? And our African American president?

Now you're comparing corporate corruption to human rights violations and the extermination of non-whites? I honestly can't continue this conversation because it's so absurd.

and I'm the "silly girl." I'll take it!

[CVP]

Originally Posted by bibit612

We were at Steve & Kelly's in Tega Cay last Friday, and yes they lost business to the bar in Steele Creek just off 160 when the ban took effect in Tega and Fort Mill. But now that the ban is in NC, I guess the owner gets his customers back. He is in the process of refurbishing his patio, with umbrellas in the summer and heaters in the winter to cater to his smoking customers. The bar was practically empty when we went...it looks like the bar customers will go outside to smoke and leave the bar inside empty except when people play pool and the arcade games (which he added subsequently). Everytime we went there in the past, almost all of his customers smoke. Maybe you should interview bar owners every now and then instead of also assuming that they will not lose business.

Uh, love your suggestion to conduct interviews but I'm a little busy with the family and all . I do have time to formulate opinions though and I find it interesting that bar owners are so reliant on smokers for their income. I didn't realize that smokers (who are in the minority in this country) make up the majority of bar clientele. Which leads me to question why smokers and bars seem to go together. It wouldn't have anything to do with addiction would it? It's clear bar owners make their most bucks off of those who are addicted. Not sure I'd feel too good about that and definitely don't feel too badly for them.

[himain]

Sorry to say, Im happy it passed. The same arguments flew around when they passed the ban in FL. People adjusted fine and businesses didn't loose business as much as you think.

FYI-I definitely consume a lot of alcohol when I go out drinking and Im not a smoker.

[diamondplayer]

Originally Posted by NMyTree

hahaha...did you read these 14 characteristics of fascism? LMAO!!

What country do you live in?



1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

Uh, hello! The last eight years? And basically our whole existence? USA! USA! USA! "If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists!"




2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -- Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to 'look the other way' or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Oh man! Corproate abuses up the wazooo....Government/military abuses ...up the wazooo. Nah, not in our country


3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.


Again.......Hello!?!?!? Sound familiar? "Them damn Injuns....them damn muslims.....them damn communists......" Ring a bell for you? Check you ears.



4. Supremacy of the Military -- Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.


Sheesh, this one sticks out like a sore thumb!

5. Rampant Sexism -- The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and antigay legislation and national policy.


hahaha.....nah, not the good 'ole USA! Oh man!....



Everything on this list describes this country!

You may want to brush up on your education and awareness, coastalgirl.

What a silly girl.

WOW, based on your little quips I hope that you are at least a 3 pack a day smoker. While inhaling also enjoy the freedom, prosperity and all of the every day luxuries other people can only dream of who don't live in the USA. Looks like America bashing has come into vogue since January.

[baybook]

wah wah wah

Facism?

Blah blah blah. oh please. let's grow up

[diamondplayer]

Originally Posted by sophialee

Did you know that many of the Fascist regimes (oh and to the other poster, the Nazis were Fascists so in essence the have already been brought up) led very stringent anti-smoking campaigns? Have you seen any of the Nazi anti-smoking propaganda?

You think they really cared about *public health*? No they didn't, it was a stepping stone. A stepping stone to condition people to accept control over their personal rights.

So there's a little high school government lesson for you.

Nothing like blowing something out of proportion. Comparing Nazi anti-smoking campaigns to NC banning smoking in restaurants is absurd. Don't worry as long as the government can tax cigarettes they will not be banned and you will have the freedom to smoke. Expect the new administration to add a few bucks to every pack, a separate fed tax on top of a state tax, to assist in paying for universal health care.