Illegals to be admitted to NC community colleges (houses, buying)

[trlhiker]

Originally Posted by SPECFRCE

Highly doubt the avg american ever beat down the doors of Farmers for cheap labor. Blame all parties involved.Stop searching for a scapegoat! I refuse to believe you know half the truth as it pertains to immigrants,pal!

Exactly, how many unemployed are lining up to take low paying farming jobs? How many are going after jobs at McDonalds or similar minimum wage jobs? I know of many teens who refuse to work at fast food joints because its beneath them. So where do these employers who need low pay employees get their people?

[ducter]

Originally Posted by trlhiker

. So where do these employers who need low pay employees get their people?

Where did they get them before illegals came here in mass?


Why are we trying to rationalize a long standing law regarding illegal immigration when we have had LEGAL immigration for so long?


Also why do they go out of their way to come here illegaly vs. legally?
Because theyre are advantages for them being illegal and they know and plan for it.

[macjr82]

Originally Posted by ducter

Where did they get them before illegals came here in mass?

Kids, the under educated, and undereducated kids.

[Native_Son]

Illegals to be admitted to NC community colleges

great news! let every man and woman seek a better future for their family. strive or fail!

[Short Stroke]

If an immigrant comes here legally, he has an identity. He can't do bad things and get away as easily as an illegal. The illegal, has no particular identity. He is more likely to have 3 or 4 phony ID's. They go to different SSO's and get an EPT card for each ID they have. They get so much food they feed prime rib to their dogs. They won't let them get dog food with the EPT card, but who gets the last laugh.
They get "wick" during pregnancy and first year of the child. All that cheese, milk, eggs and the costly formula which they dispense in pint cans, so you know it costs much more than in the gallon cans. I had to pay $25 for a can each week for each of our babies, so those little (1 day supply) cans probably cost us taxpayers at least $40 each week. The illegal family is entitled to over $100 food for each person. When we take one of our children to the pediatrician, we have insurance with co pay. While we are paying, at least 3 illegal families go past without having to pay.
All you stupid jerks that think we should just keep on supporting these illegals should just open your home to at least one family and just give them everything they need, while they go out and work 3 under table jobs. But you wouldn't do that, would you? You just want these people to be supported by other people.

[ducter]

Originally Posted by Short Stroke

You just want these people to be supported by other people.

Yes and the buisness owners want to hire them over a tax paying, law abiding American.

Its funny how America was so much stronger in many ways years ago yet no one wants to do things like we did years ago.

[macjr82]

The thing they are here now. There is no easy t ojust "box them up and ship them home" as some want to do. The only real solution would be to integrate those that are here now, and somehow slow or stem the tide of illegals come in. Even it menas making a separate class of green card, like a blue card are something. This would get them in the system, still restrict from certain benefits, but put them on a road to legitimacy. You could go from blue card, to green card to citizen. Or go go straight from blue card to citizen, but it would take you longer than someone that has a green card and came here legally.

[box_of_zip_disks]

Originally Posted by trlhiker

How many are going after jobs at McDonalds or similar minimum wage jobs?

One Million Applications, 62,000 Jobs Served At McDonald’s « CBS Chicago

McDonalds' job fair last spring netted 62,000 hires out of 1 million applicants.

[golgi1]

The people who support illegals in any way shape or form are either intellectually weak, morally weak, or both.

No support should be given to any illegal ever. Its not our responsibility to pay for them. They already cost us our livelihoods with the job markets that they undermine. Now we have to support them with welfare programs as well?

It should be as uncomfortable for them as possible to be here so that maybe some of them will go home and others will think twice before they come here.

No "slow" measures stemming the tide while supporting others here. It was their choice to come. They have to live with the consequences. And no, we don't owe them "a better life" then they had in Mexico. I'm extremely suspicious of any people that go anywhere because they can't fix the place where they are from. What makes anyone think that the communities that they build here will be any better then the ones that they build in Mexico?

All that is occurring is that they are living here in the grace of what other groups of people have built before them, and that they have shown no evidence of being able to build for themselves. They will drag down what we have built, not make it better.

Where does it end? Do we owe the entire world a "better life" by allowing them to move into our communities? Such communist ideals are intellectually shallow and misguided. Only if you want the equivalent of Mexico in this country should illegals be given incentives to stay here.

Lets see some work, first, in central America for maybe five decades toward making its countries a nicer place to live on par with a first world country. Prove that they can run a corruption and gang free community within their own lands. Just one big corruption free (a relative measure - on par with the first world major cities) and gang free community. Let's see the Hispanic Mayberry with a population of at least 25,000. Let's see the proof that they can integrate in large numbers, run their own communities to a high first world standard without changing the placid and peaceful cultures of the small towns that they invade, and not drag us down. Then we'll talk. The people of these communities, and their relatives, did not fight and die in the wars of this country just to have their communities and job prospects changed and destroyed through bureaucratic will to leave these invaders go unchecked. These communities were built with blood sweat and tears over long periods of time. No one but the native and legal residents has any legitimate claim to them or their economic fruits.

If any illegal really wants to contribute to this country, let him first serve in the military and earn his citizenship. Then he's earned his right to work and live here. Otherwise, he and his family want all of the benefits with none of the sacrifice required to build and maintain such a society. They and their families need to earn the right to be here. My family has, many times over. Now, we are repaid with an illegal invasion that raises our crime rates, raises our highway fatalities, raises our tax burden, makes our country more crowded, influences the politics of the country to benefit their group at the expense of other groups, and lowers our job prospects.

[arbyunc]

Originally Posted by golgi1

The people who support illegals in any way shape or form are either intellectually weak, morally weak, or both.

Nice lead-in to the intellectually and morally weak stereotypic rant that follows. So just to keep things on your level, here are just a few dumb and immoral points that you don't seem to consider:

--I don't think anyone here is suggesting that we encourage or support those who willfully enter the country illegally. But there are many thousands of illegals who were brought here as kids with absolutely no choice in the matter. Now they've grown up, and they're simply trying to live their lives. Also, because many illegals now have children who are legal US citizens (because they were born here), trying to deport them becomes a sticky legal mess. My moral compass says these innocent victims should not be considered criminals. Apparently yours does, and that's your right of course.

--Illegals have contributed, and continue to contribute to our society. In agriculture it has been common practice for decades to hire illegals to get the work done. Everyone knows it, but most looked the other way because the farmers, some of whom happened to be big supporters of local elected officials, were saving lots of money on labor costs. In many cases US businesses encouraged and recruited these workers to come here--indeed they did not come here to drag down what we built as you state, but rather to help us build our agricultural economy. I also happen to know several small businesses that are run by illegals. They hire local workers, the pay taxes just like any other business, and they offer a valuable and cost-effective service to their customers. Hardly dragging us down I'd say.

I do like your suggestion regarding citizenship earned via military duty. Perhaps, despite your intellectual and moral high ground, there is a glimmer of hope that you may see things more compassionately for those who deserve a chance. Compassion is not a communist ideal, you know.