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Old 07-21-2006, 05:33 PM
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If you were going to buy land and sit on it, where would it be (NC or SC doesn't matter)?
I wouldn't buy on the coast. With hurricanes and lack of jobs, that's probably going to remain an area for mostly vacation home type of buyer. it could be a good market 20-30 years from now if you're willing to wait that long.

I've heard western NC is pretty with the mountains and all. But how many people can find high paying jobs there?

That leaves central, Piedmont area. I think the non-developed rural parts of Wake Forest/Youngsville/Rollesville and south Fuquay Varina have great potential. I don't know about Charlotte area but A1M thinks Lake Norman is great

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Old 07-21-2006, 06:24 PM
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I hate these kinds of posts. Rather than conveying a point of view (even strongly), the underlying message seems to be "this is all so tedious because the answer is so obvious. Can't the rest of you see it? Are you really that stupid? Wow!" Maybe that's not how it was meant, but that's kind of the way it sounds. I get enough of that at work!! LOL
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I don't consider this a "bickerfest" at all. As a matter of fact I appreciate blogs like this, so that people can discuss their points of view. First I will address the "bankruptcy" issue. As an Attorney you know that the bk laws changed last year. If people in this country, especially those in the banking industry felt that the prospect for rising incomes was good, this legislation would have never have been inacted, let alone discussed. On the income side the reason we will see falling incomes is due to outsourcing, downsizing, and M&A activity. This will concentrate higher income jobs in the hands of a few and water down the middle class. It's been said that the top industries in this country will be entertainment, healthcare and travel. I think you can draw your own conclusions from this scenario. On top of all of this, while it's difficult to prove that financial markets are manipulated, it is not unreasonable to think that we are being given a rosier picture than that which actually exists.
While not all realtors are "dishonest" they certainly have a vested interest. I know exactly what's going on in Cali......that's why I left beautiful San Diego. As I've said before.....people who make 40k a year should not be buying 500k+ homes. but they are because they are being told they qualify with , I will say again, creative financing. It has also been said that 70% of Americans are basically one paycheck from the street. Hmmm.
I use to think "to each his own". I never use to think that it would affect me directly or the plight of our country. But I do now for good reason. I don't mean to come off like I think people are stupid, but I do get a little emotional because I hate to see what's happening to people just trying to live and have a home. "Buy now! or you'll never get another chance!" LOL Hogwash! Peace!!

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I think people are selling to get out because they can buy a house cash or have a very low house payment is why CA has so many houses for sell, and crime is getting worse! That's my opinion.
Yes!! They are also for sell because a high percentage are in some sort of foreclosure status. Look it up, it's really grim in my opinion. Also...as I've said in other posts ......those ARM's are coming due soon and people who squeeked by to get in in the first place will no longer be able to afford the payment. They were told their homes would only keep increasing in value...but now look what's happening.

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Home sales in CA have definitely slowed, but they are still selling. The prices are adjusting, and a home that is priced 5 to 7% below 2005 prices are selling.

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The shaky loans are a higher percentage than you think.......especially in California. I've done the research, 80% of the home loans in 2005 were either ARM or interest only loans.

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Investors are only buying houses less than $300k. in our area. Otherwise their payment is to high and rent will not cover it. But, your right, regardless how many people leave CA and AZ or even NV most still love it there or are stuck there with no equity as you stated to move.
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So pay more interest? That's better?

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If you were going to buy land and sit on it, where would it be (NC or SC doesn't matter)?
I read recently that investors are buying in Texas now, and it's been going on in Idaho recently too.

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Old 07-21-2006, 07:51 PM
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I don't consider this a "bickerfest" at all. As a matter of fact I appreciate blogs like this, so that people can discuss their points of view. First I will address the "bankruptcy" issue. As an Attorney you know that the bk laws changed last year. If people in this country, especially those in the banking industry felt that the prospect for rising incomes was good, this legislation would have never have been inacted, let alone discussed. On the income side the reason we will see falling incomes is due to outsourcing, downsizing, and M&A activity. This will concentrate higher income jobs in the hands of a few and water down the middle class. It's been said that the top industries in this country will be entertainment, healthcare and travel. I think you can draw your own conclusions from this scenario. On top of all of this, while it's difficult to prove that financial markets are manipulated, it is not unreasonable to think that we are being given a rosier picture than that which actually exists.
While not all realtors are "dishonest" they certainly have a vested interest. I know exactly what's going on in Cali......that's why I left beautiful San Diego. As I've said before.....people who make 40k a year should not be buying 500k+ homes. but they are because they are being told they qualify with , I will say again, creative financing. It has also been said that 70% of Americans are basically one paycheck from the street. Hmmm.
I use to think "to each his own". I never use to think that it would affect me directly or the plight of our country. But I do now for good reason. I don't mean to come off like I think people are stupid, but I do get a little emotional because I hate to see what's happening to people just trying to live and have a home. "Buy now! or you'll never get another chance!" LOL Hogwash! Peace!!

You've raised some good points. I think my perspective is a little narrower - I don't worry about trusting my realtor because I'm capable of figuring out the truth myself. But probably lots of people get led the wrong way ... I live in an area where homes still are appreciating with no foreclosures. But people who make $40K a year buying $500K homes?? -of course that can't fly. And, of course, lawyers are somewhat impervious to the economy - litigation is alive and well and salaries are solid.

I don't know what to think of your position overall. On the one hand, our economy has some solid fundamentals and, in the past, Americans have deflected "doomsday" predictions about the economy. Some people think we are simply living in a new paradigm with the way prices are, i.e. cars used to cost $5K but now they are $20K and that's just the way it is and we're never going back. But on the other hand, if wages can't keep up, and too many people have those lower wages, then prices must come down. I'm honestly confused by the fact that the housing market in Fresno is down 20%, but prices went up 8% from one year ago. The news called it a "conundrum" the other day and even the experts are reserving judgment. I think these next few years will be very interesting. Honestly, one of the reasons we are moving is because it feels like Cal has spiraled out of control. We can afford it, but only by both working at stressful jobs that we don't like. Moving to another area that is nicer, and has much cheaper housing, seems like the ticket. More money in the bank, more money to enjoy life, bigger retirement fund etc. - just seems more responsible and relaxing than staying here. We'll see ...

One final note - you write that you "don't mean to come off like I think people are stupid." I believe that you have strong opinions and, frankly, I personally find most of them well considered and researched. But for fun I reviewed some of your posts. You might want to do the same, just for a little "come to Jesus" meeting with yourself. LOL It's just my opinion, but comments like "you've got to be mentally challenged to buy in Cali," "finally, someone with a brain," "that's the silliest thing I've ever heard," "moo" about overweight people in Texas, "ever heard of a housing bubble?," correcting someone's spelling (especially when yours is not perfect) -- may not be the most effective way to make your point. I realize some of these quotes are out of context, but not entirely and you meant it as it's quoted. Unless you are making millions, or the Federal Reserve has you on speeddial, you might want to take it down a notch. Just my opinion .... At the end of the day, we're all just people limited by our own experiences trying to guess the future! And who knows what that will bring?

Connie

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Old 07-21-2006, 08:16 PM
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The shaky loans are a higher percentage than you think.......especially in California. I've done the research, 80% of the home loans in 2005 were either ARM or interest only loans.
Your 80% figure is high, but even if it was correct there were only 45k homes sold in 2005. Factoring in refinance loans there aren’t enough of these types of loans to create the catastrophic collapse you are predicting. There are millions of homes in CA that are either owned out right or the owners have not reified or sold in the last 6 years.
Even the university’s so called “economist” aren’t predicting the kind of catastrophe you are predicting.

I know a number of people that went for the interest only loans, not because they couldn’t afford the 30 year fixed, but because they could pay the same payment as before, but the extra went to principal, instead of interest. Now they have already refinanced to fixed loans. As soon as the fed “gets their heads out” they will probably refi again to an interest only loan.

At this time your apocalyptic outlook is extremely premature. Even in the 90’s when there were 750k high paying aerospace jobs lost the housing market corrected, but not by nearly the correction you are predicting.

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Old 07-21-2006, 08:22 PM
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One final note - you write that you "don't mean to come off like I think people are stupid." I believe that you have strong opinions and, frankly, I personally find most of them well considered and researched. But for fun I reviewed some of your posts. You might want to do the same, just for a little "come to Jesus" meeting with yourself. LOL It's just my opinion, but comments like "you've got to be mentally challenged to buy in Cali," "finally, someone with a brain," "that's the silliest thing I've ever heard," "moo" about overweight people in Texas, "ever heard of a housing bubble?," correcting someone's spelling (especially when yours is not perfect) -- may not be the most effective way to make your point. I realize some of these quotes are out of context, but not entirely and you meant it as it's quoted. Unless you are making millions, or the Federal Reserve has you on speeddial, you might want to take it down a notch. Just my opinion .... At the end of the day, we're all just people limited by our own experiences trying to guess the future! And who knows what that will bring?

Connie
Well said. I agree, I think she is just angry that she sold on the first media reports of a housing bubble, and lost out on the appreciation in the las 7 years.

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Old 07-21-2006, 08:56 PM
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Yes, 2004-2005 probably would have been the better time to sell and get out of California. Top profits without selling hassles. Much talk in general about getting out too late, but there's no prize for getting out too early either!

Your moniker says RedNC - are you a native and, if so, where do you live? Your story on where you bought? We are thinking about existing homes in the Charlotte area, but it seems like a lot of people want new construction. Why is that? Have you seen problems with older homes??

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Old 07-21-2006, 09:46 PM
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Well said. I agree, I think she is just angry that she sold on the first media reports of a housing bubble, and lost out on the appreciation in the las 7 years.
Now that's funny!! I moved to Texas 7 years ago because my daughter was starting school and I did not want her in the California school system, nor did I want someone else raising my daughter while I chased the buck in San Diego. I never bought in California. When we were ready to buy our first home we got out. My friends that stayed and bought in 99 are doing all right, but the ones that bought more recently are calling all the time whining about how they can't get ahead and are trying to sell now and can't. Some of them took out equity loans to buy a lifestyle they really couldn't afford and now it's coming back to bite them in the rear, because they soon will owe more on their homes than they are worth. My house, however, will be paid off in 7 years.

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Old 07-21-2006, 10:48 PM
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Ok, I just went to a website I had saved to favorites. A new home I had found online through Mercedes homes has just gone up two-thousand dollars since last week! Base price was $207K and now it's at $209K. By the time we are ready to move I wonder how much more the homes prices will climb?

So Im quoting myself, yes. But, I just went back to the website where I found the home from my post above....it is now priced at $204K. What is the deal???? I had emailed the sales person who confirmed the rise in price the other day so Im not sure, I guess I will check next week and see if it changes once again.

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Old 07-21-2006, 10:57 PM
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I've been watching my builder for the last 5 months raise the base price on the homes in my subdivision $3K/mo! Yep that's right $15K more than when we started back in Feb. I asked why (actually the really smart sales person who knows I research on the web brought it up) and they said costs of fuel, supply and etc. It hasn't stopped sales though. I'm watching what happens around October/November when the the RE season will cool off (well I think it will cool off as the summer is over and the holidays kick in).

As a side note, if you are ready to put in an offer you can demand from your builder that you want them to *honor* the original price quote you received (if you are within a 30 day window). I did that a got it. We got a price quote in Feb. it then went up $3K in March and told them we wanted what we were told in Feb.

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I've been watching my builder for the last 5 months raise the base price on the homes in my subdivision $3K/mo! Yep that's right $15K more than when we started back in Feb. I asked why (actually the really smart sales person who knows I research on the web brought it up) and they said costs of fuel, supply and etc. It hasn't stopped sales though. I'm watching what happens around October/November when the the RE season will cool off (well I think it will cool off as the summer is over and the holidays kick in).

As a side note, if you are ready to put in an offer you can demand from your builder that you want them to *honor* the original price quote you received (if you are within a 30 day window). I did that a got it. We got a price quote in Feb. it then went up $3K in March and told them we wanted what we were told in Feb.

Oh, we haven't even gone to NC to check things out. Us moving or not is totally up in the air as of right now. We won't be going to visit until Nov. at the earliest.

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