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There is a lack of consistency on RTOR on red arrow ... here's a quote from the Federal MUTCD (Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices).
Q: The 2000 MUTCD changed the meaning of a right turn red arrow signal by prohibiting right turns on a red arrow after stopping unless there is a sign specifically allowing it. Then, in the 2003 MUTCD, the R10-17a (Right on Red Arrow After Stop) sign was added to go along with this. In my State, turning right on a red arrow after stopping is legal. Why was the MUTCD changed?A: The R10-17a sign and the revised definition of the meaning of a red arrow signal stem from a change in the Uniform Vehicle Code (UVC) that revised the meaning of the red arrow to include the prohibition of turns on red arrow after stopping unless a sign specifically permits it. The UVC change came about because of the lack of uniformity among State laws on this subject. The majority of States' laws prohibit the turn on red arrow after stopping without a permissive sign, while the minority of States allow turns on red arrows after stop unless a sign prohibits it. The UVC, which is written by a group comprised mostly of State motor vehicle administrators, adopted the majority practice. The change also took into account that a key use of red right arrows is with signal phasing that "protects" the pedestrian crossing from right turn traffic during a "leading pedestrian interval" by keeping the right turns stopped on a red arrow, while the parallel thru movement receives a green. Although this isn't the only use for red right turn arrows, it is one in which the red arrow is critical. Allowing RTOR on red arrow under this condition is counter-productive to the purpose of using the red arrow. It was felt that, at the relatively few red right arrow locations where agencies might actually want to allow RTOR, this could be accommodated by posting the sign to specifically allow it there. For reasons of national uniformity, the MUTCD's text on the meanings of signal indications must match the UVC.
Lets add to this question. When turning at the southpoint light, what if you are in the left lane of the two right turn lanes...can you still go?
John
yes you can, but watch out for those in the righthand lane who seem to think they have free reign over all lanes of traffic. i have this happen to me all the tim when turning right from Renaissance onto Hope Valley Road (behind Target). I'll be in the LH right turn lane and some idiot in the RH right turn lane just decides to move on over on me while i'm coming around the bend. argh!
To the woman driving the Prius today, I honked at you because you didn't turn right on red. But thanks for proving your point by accelerating at .1 m/s^2 when it finally went green.
To the woman driving the Prius today, I honked at you because you didn't turn right on red. But thanks for proving your point by accelerating at .1 m/s^2 when it finally went green.
Maybe she was confused b/c her car turned itself off when she stopped and she was worried about those hazardous floor mats jumping up and making her car go too fast ?
LOL about the .1m/s^2 ... I guess right on red is optional, but ...
It would be nice if the state would add a sign that says, "please stop on red" or something along those lines... would alleviate a lot of confusion
It's already been said that a sign saying "No Turn on Red" means you cannot turn right (sometimes there are hours listed, such as school hours near a school). Otherwise, you can turn. No confusion.
And you ALWAYS in every case, have to come to a complete stop at a red light (or Stop sign), even if you may then turn right. What's the confusion?
If you move here from another state, it's up to you to learn the laws; it's not up to "the state" to write them to fit what you're accustomed to.
If you move here from another state, it's up to you to learn the laws; it's not up to "the state" to write them to fit what you're accustomed to.
Typical "native".. thanks for the education! Some would say that following the lead of proven systems would help those who aren't there yet. IMO.. But, thanks again.. always refreshing!
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