Do You Think One Day North Carolina Will Have Gay Marriage (calculation, activity)
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I live in both Florida and North Carolina and can tell you that Florida is a long way away from having legal same sex marriages. Just last fall, FL voters approved an amendment to the constitution by a wide margain.
Correct; FL also has blocked adoptions by gay people--FL has some of the most antigay laws in the US.
NC is, all in all, probably the most "progressive" Southern state as far as its laws in a general sense, or certainly one of the top 2-3. WAY more than Georgia (Atlanta only has so much sway in the state legislature).
If you want my opinion, the state has no business sanctioning marriage in the first place. It simply isn't necessary.
Regarding your question: Yes, I think there's no question.
Just look at the generational breakdown. Statistically speaking, it is the WWII generation, the silent generation, and the baby boomers who have a problem with gay marriage. If you look at polls of people who are born after 1980, very few people have a problem with it. Young people tend to lump it in with women's rights and race-based civil rights, as a no-brainer... there is no logical reason to prevent such a large group of Americans from doing what they want to do, at no harm to anyone else.
One day, "Generation Y" will be the oldest, stodgiest folks on the block.. and then who will care about preventing gay marriages?
I agree. As someone who was born in 1980, I can speak for many my age who agree we are all human beings who deserve the same rights. The only people I come across who are against it are people my parents and grandparents age. As my generation and the one below me ages it will come easier and easier. I really don't think it's that far off in the future, as the discrimination is quite silly and hateful. Leave religion out of equal rights.
I think it probably has the best chance of doing so in the south. NC is the only southern state without a Constitutional Amendment against gay marriage as well as domestic partnerships. As for GA, outside of the city of Atlanta itself and a few of the more liberal inner suburbs, most of the state (as well as the majority of Atlanta burbs) are very very far from approving gay marriage.
It's strange to me how many people are concerned with "gay marriage". I know it's other issues going on in each state we should focus on. I could careless who's marrying whom!
If only the fight wasn't still going on, after DECADES of trying to win equality, we could focus on the "other" issues that are also important.
But equality will always be an important issue as long as there are those people who continue to try and prevent it or take it away.
I couldn't care less also, about who's marrying whom. But I DO care about equality and I DO care about people having a choice! Even if I never marry my partner, I want the CHOICE and FREEDOM to do so if I choose!
They passed civil unions in CT - "equal rights"...but, that wasn't good enough.
The press stayed on for years, activism was out of control from groups far outside CT.
Now we have Gay Marriage which was passed as far as I know, against the will of the general population by the courts.
Why the push for "marriage"? What changed for the homosexuals now that it's called "marriage"? Do they now feel magically "whole" or "normal" somehow? Why the need to have and redefine something that traditionally has signified a heterosexual relationship if you have the "legal rights" you wanted?
They passed civil unions in CT - "equal rights"...but, that wasn't good enough.
The press stayed on for years, activism was out of control from groups far outside CT.
Now we have Gay Marriage which was passed as far as I know, against the will of the general population by the courts.
Why the push for "marriage"? What changed for the homosexuals now that it's called "marriage"? Do they now feel magically "whole" or "normal" somehow? Why the need to have and redefine something that traditionally has signified a heterosexual relationship if you have the "legal rights" you wanted?
So is it "rights" or is it something "more"?
This thread is about NC, not Connecticut; trying to argue the issue of same-sex marriage in general is better done in the "general" forums.
But in a nutshell, "domestic partners" do NOT have the same legal rights as spouses do, that's it, plain and simple. It's not "asking for something more". Even in states with legal same-sex marriage, no Federal benefits--such as inheriting Social Security benefits from your partner of 30 years--are conferred upon same-sex marriages. Actually there are over 1000 legal benefits that are unavailable to same-sex couples, no matter how committed and for how long, while Britney Spears and her whimsical "Las Vegas marriage" that lasted 24 hours instantly received all 1000 of those rights.
Stop trying to make this anything more than the same rights for the same relationships. And the "will of popular opinion" doesn't fly; slavery would not have been abolished if it had been put to popular vote (especially since only white people--white men actually--could vote at the time), nor would women have received the right to vote (again, kind of hard to pass a vote for your own rights when you don't have it yet!), nor would interracial marriages have become legal. When it's a matter of civil rights and fairness, it almost always takes action at a higher level.
This thread is about NC, not Connecticut; trying to argue the issue of same-sex marriage in general is better done in the "general" forums.
But in a nutshell, "domestic partners" do NOT have the same legal rights as spouses do, that's it, plain and simple. It's not "asking for something more". Even in states with legal same-sex marriage, no Federal benefits--such as inheriting Social Security benefits from your partner of 30 years--are conferred upon same-sex marriages. Actually there are over 1000 legal benefits that are unavailable to same-sex couples, no matter how committed and for how long, while Britney Spears and her whimsical "Las Vegas marriage" that lasted 24 hours instantly received all 1000 of those rights.
Stop trying to make this anything more than the same rights for the same relationships. And the "will of popular opinion" doesn't fly; slavery would not have been abolished if it had been put to popular vote (especially since only white people--white men actually--could vote at the time), nor would women have received the right to vote (again, kind of hard to pass a vote for your own rights when you don't have it yet!), nor would interracial marriages have become legal. When it's a matter of civil rights and fairness, it almost always takes action at a higher level.
What NC does or doesn't do means very little to same sex couples from a legal perspective as long as the Federal government continues to provide nothing.
Yours is a very good response to the issues and rights. I couldn't give you rep points for your response because i have to "spread some around before giving them to you again".
This thread is about NC, not Connecticut; trying to argue the issue of same-sex marriage in general is better done in the "general" forums.
Why would it not be relevant to see how other states progressed with something of the same subject? Nice try.
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But in a nutshell, "domestic partners" do NOT have the same legal rights as spouses do, that's it, plain and simple.
Really? You read the language of the CT bill? It wasn't "domestic partners" either FYI.
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It's not "asking for something more".
The statement was not saying that...fine, replace more with "else" I.E. an agenda against traditional marriage, family etc.
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Even in states with legal same-sex marriage, no Federal benefits--such as inheriting Social Security benefits
Social Security is a socialist program instituted by a progressive President that should be abolished.
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Actually there are over 1000 legal benefits that are unavailable to same-sex couples,
How did we jump from "getting rights" through civil unions to a statement about states with neither?
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no matter how committed and for how long, while Britney Spears and her whimsical "Las Vegas marriage" that lasted 24 hours instantly received all 1000 of those rights.
Pointing to bad behavior does not excuse bad behavior. Sorry. Two wrongs don't make a right. If you think you'll get an argument from me that our society is not SICK and the institution of marriage and family is a tattered rag of what it once used to be, you would be mistaken. Again, nice try.
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Originally Posted by Francois
Stop trying to make this anything more than the same rights for the same relationships.
Stop trying to equate two homosexual people as being the same as two heterosexual people. They are not and there are very different dynamics, so why should I support same rights for different types of relationships?
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Originally Posted by Francois
And the "will of popular opinion" doesn't fly; slavery would not have been abolished if it had been put to popular vote (especially since only white people--white men actually--could vote at the time), nor would women have received the right to vote (again, kind of hard to pass a vote for your own rights when you don't have it yet!), nor would interracial marriages have become legal. When it's a matter of civil rights and fairness, it almost always takes action at a higher level.
Totally different subjects. Saying being gay is equal to being black, Latino, Italian, white etc is an insult at best. Interracial marriage is still a man and a women. Not two guys trying to have a baby. Once you wrap your head around the fact that you have two nuts trying to act as a nut and a bolt you might get it.
I know - I suck, I'm a hater, bigot, religious freak, homophobic etc...commence with the demonizing.
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What NC does or doesn't do means very little to same sex couples from a legal perspective as long as the Federal government continues to provide nothing.
To answer the original questions, I certainly hope not!
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