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Old 10-11-2010, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Fargo, ND
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FWIW: military postings to Minot--admittedly it's not a scientifically valid sample, but every former Air Force person that I've encountered viewed Minot as a very negative posting. One officer (Russian language specialist in the early 80s) married a woman who had previously been a war protester. He lost his security clearance and was immediately posted to Minot. I worked w/ a daughter of a career Air Force officer. She reported that every time they were waiting on new orders the family would gather at the table and pray/wish "Please not Minot!"
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Old 10-11-2010, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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I have had several aggressive and private dog trainers...I don't know what her problem is. I don't know what to do. She used to love the dog park but now...she hates it. She also doesn't like men and she gets extremely aggressive. Any ideas why this would happen?
Okay, that isn't just lack of leadership, tho that can make matters worse. (Dog parks tell the dog that you are NOT their pack leader, thus the dog has NO protection, which is the pack leader's job -- so the dog feels that it must protect itself. If the dog has any abnormal fears a-building, you can see how this makes it worse.)

Was she around 9 to 12 months old when this happened? (or possibly a bit older in a toy dog) No apparent reason for it, just all of a sudden had an irrational fear/aggression thing?

If so, she has juvenile psychosis. I think it's probably the same genetic basis as schizophrenia in humans. It's about 10x more common in female dogs than in males, and more common in spayed females and neutered males than in intact dogs. It appears to be fundamentally a failure to mature that leads to reversion to extreme juvenile behaviour (often exacerbated by early spay/neuter, which prevents the dog from ever maturing properly).

Abrupt fear of something specific (frex, a man wearing a hat, or a person carrying a specific object; I've seen one that freaked out over a 250-gallon propane tank) is a typical symptom, and leads to the common misdiagnosis of rescue dogs that "must have been abused by a man wearing a hat" or "beaten with an umbrella" etc. when in fact no such thing ever happened; the problem is all in the dog's head.

The problem runs in specific lines in Australian Shepherds; I don't have enough pedigree/incidence data to track it that closely in other breeds, and of course mixes are at the mercy of a random ancestry. I'd hazard that around half the dogs given up to shelters/rescues are affected.

Most affected dogs become less fearful/aggressive with middle age -- but I think it's just that it takes too much energy expenditure to sustain once youth's bloom fades. They never really get completely past it, and are never truly safe and reliable, no matter how much work you put into them. About the best you can do is reinforce desired behaviour and be sure to NEVER reward unwanted behaviour (do NOT "comfort" the dog when it is acting stressed! The correct response is "No, Heel, Sit! Behave, NOW!" NOT "Oh poor Poopsie! don't be scared, mommy loves you, etc.") and be sure you are always seen as the pack leader, ie. the one in charge of everything. Take note that food treats and clicker training usually make matters worse, because those methods fundamentally put the DOG in charge.

Side note: you may need to examine your own body language, as chances are it is reinforcing the dog's abnormal fears. No offense, but this is endemic among vegan and vegetarian pet owners; it's a fundamental hole in the mindset. You can't be a prey animal (herbivore) and truly be the needful leader for a pack predator (carnivore or omnivore). The dog will always read and heed your body language first and foremost.

As to a trainer that is likely to be more helpful with this dog's issues, and more likely to have success at reading/training your body language, I'd look for an old-time gundog or fieldtrial trainer, someone who still uses "Amish" methods (doesn't rely on the electric collar for everything), whose own dogs are both relaxed and eager, and get him to run you and the dog through a thorough obedience program. In Minot's neck of the woods, there should still be some around, tho I don't know who specifically anymore. Ask around at the gun club, hunt club, local gundog kennels, places like that. You're in about as good a location to find such an old-timer as you could possibly be, outside of northern Minnesota or the rest of ND/SD.

[I've been in dogs 40 years now, and my primary mentor started in the 1920s. It gives one a different perspective. ]
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Old 10-11-2010, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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FWIW: military postings to Minot--admittedly it's not a scientifically valid sample, but every former Air Force person that I've encountered viewed Minot as a very negative posting.
Growing up next door to Malmstrom AFB -- ditto, but mainly from airmen who'd only heard about Minot. Folks who'd actually been posted there -- well, if they were born-and-bred southerners, lots of complaints about the winters, but otherwise no one seemed to have much bad to say.
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Old 10-12-2010, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Forest Hills
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Growing up next door to Malmstrom AFB -- ditto, but mainly from airmen who'd only heard about Minot. Folks who'd actually been posted there -- well, if they were born-and-bred southerners, lots of complaints about the winters, but otherwise no one seemed to have much bad to say.
I spoke with someone here at work who came out of the Air Force... he said when he turned in his career path to his commanding officer in the AF he was told "you don't have enough bad assignments" on there. He also confirmed Minot was considered a "bad assignment".

Lets face it... ND isn't everyone's cup o' tea.
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Old 10-12-2010, 07:50 AM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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Lets face it... ND isn't everyone's cup o' tea.
Very true. But that can be said about any place. For instance, many would consider living in Utah a "bad assignment." Or Florida. For that matter, some would consider the Bahamas a bad assignment (I sure would). Different strokes. Seriously, if I were in the Air Force, I'd do everything I could to be assigned to Thule. That would a lifelong dream come true for me (living in Greenland).

We're all different. North Dakota (thankfully) isn't everyone's cup of tea. And for someone like me, that's a huge draw. That and many other things. Every morning when I'm stressing out on the freeway, that thought brings me comfort for the future.
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Old 10-12-2010, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Texas!!! It's hot but I don't care :)
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Well, no one really wants to go somewhere the AF considers a "hardship". Yes, living in Minot is considered by the military for being a hardship. Also, once you are here...it's hard to leave. If they changed things up a bit, it wouldn't be so bad. We are getting new housing and whatnot but maybe making the base bigger and adding more restaurants and other things to do that other bases have would make this less of a hardship. Providing more jobs to spouses or a least an easier system to use...they aren't very helpful with that part, just hey go look at the website. And if they made the posting normal, like every 2 years, which in general is what most people expect to spend at a base, then maybe it wouldn't be so bad. But dumping people in a base and saying hey have fun here for who knows how long and oh by the way, it gets really cold, there aren't a lot of jobs for your spouse, and we have one of the highest divorce rates of other AF bases. Good luck! I'm not saying the military should make it easy on everyone...but the Air Force is commonly known to be more geared towards family maybe they could put that to use at this base and it wouldn't so terrible to everyone that moved here and maybe people would stop "praying and wishing" they don't even come to Minot.
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Old 10-12-2010, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Texas!!! It's hot but I don't care :)
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I know that getting an old-timer trainer is a good idea. My uncle isn't an "oldtimer" but he trained his labs to hunt (my dog is half lab w/ english cocker) and she immediately rolled over and submitted to him. The only time I have ever seen her to do that to any person, male or female. She listens to me and she's very well trained-obedient wise. She loved dog parks and then all of sudden when we moved to Minot, she hated them. She is very, very territorial as well. She's never had problems with vets before either but last time I took her she had to be muzzled. She is a very gentle, sweet, good natured dog...except with certain strangers. There's not really a pattern but it's mostly males. We did get here from the humane society and she was spayed early, she was only 5 months when we got her and they had her spayed when she came there. She is absolutely friendly and fine with most of our friends and family members but there will just be that one person she absolutely hates. It's very scary and I am not always sure she won't bite although she never lunges but always backs away. I think she is just terrified...but not sure of what.

She knows that I am the master. I give her food at certain times, don't allow her to jump on me, make me walk through the door first, make her sit and wait until she can go out...I'm just not sure what's wrong with her but I will see about getting in touch with a trainer. I have tried so many before I don't know if another will help but you never know!
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Old 10-12-2010, 10:06 AM
 
Location: North Dakota
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My husband also doesn't like living here. Nether do any of his friends or my friends. So.....it's not like we just sit around and complain ALL the time about Minot. It's just sometimes on those occassions when we want to do something, there isn't anything to do that we can think of...
I feel bad that you have found your husbands assignment to MAFB to be such a let down, but I have to ask, could it be your attitude or maybe the attitude of the friends you have? Attitudes are contagious, have you checked yours lately?
One thing I haven't seen posted is how many retired Air Force couples/families we have living in and around the Minot area, I know there must be alot of them, just going by the ones I know personally. They came, they did their time and the stayed, and they wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
Living in North Dakota is definitely a trade off. Less crime, less traffic, better schools, etc. The winters can be long and cold, no doubt, but many of us use that time to do the things that the summers keep us to busy to get finished. Somebody posted that North Dakota has good weather for 2 months, I know they were probably being sarcastic, but look at the past spring, summer and the current fall weather we are experiencing, we have had a good 6 months of what most North Dakotans would consider some pretty awesome weather.
I'm thinking that nothing that anybody posts can change your mind about MAFB, Minot or the Great State of North Dakota, which I find to be rather sad. I can tell you that the last place I would choose to live would be Texas, the humidity would kill me along with the faster pace of life, but would I choose to complain online about a circumstance that I was resposible for putting myself in? I hope not. We are all responsible for our own attitudes and our own decisions. I admire your husbands service to our country and hope that both of you can eventually come to love your situation (I'm thinking that's not gonna happen ).
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Old 10-12-2010, 02:46 PM
 
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Here's a different question for ya .... NWS forecasts are usually pretty much dead-on, or at worst the predicted weather is delayed (usually when the parent system stalls off the coast). Accu-Weather forecasts are seldom right and often flat wrong, even in ultra-predictable SoCal. I noticed the difference right away when one news channel switched. (And I'm a pretty good amateur forecaster myself.) Anyway... why is Accu-Weather so ... inaccurate??
Sorry this is late...but was out of town for a while. Regardless of what company you forecast for, most forecasters can access the same info (such as model data, current observations, etc) for their use in preparing forecasts. Accu-weather is in State College, PA and being quite a bit of distance away from their forecast location versus a local NWS would sure play a role. Just knowing the local nuances there in SoCal as there are several micro-climates. It was many years ago I worked there, so dont know what data they use to generate the forecasts via their website.

Dan
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Old 10-12-2010, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Texas!!! It's hot but I don't care :)
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I feel bad that you have found your husbands assignment to MAFB to be such a let down, but I have to ask, could it be your attitude or maybe the attitude of the friends you have? Attitudes are contagious, have you checked yours lately?
One thing I haven't seen posted is how many retired Air Force couples/families we have living in and around the Minot area, I know there must be alot of them, just going by the ones I know personally. They came, they did their time and the stayed, and they wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
Living in North Dakota is definitely a trade off. Less crime, less traffic, better schools, etc. The winters can be long and cold, no doubt, but many of us use that time to do the things that the summers keep us to busy to get finished. Somebody posted that North Dakota has good weather for 2 months, I know they were probably being sarcastic, but look at the past spring, summer and the current fall weather we are experiencing, we have had a good 6 months of what most North Dakotans would consider some pretty awesome weather.
I'm thinking that nothing that anybody posts can change your mind about MAFB, Minot or the Great State of North Dakota, which I find to be rather sad. I can tell you that the last place I would choose to live would be Texas, the humidity would kill me along with the faster pace of life, but would I choose to complain online about a circumstance that I was resposible for putting myself in? I hope not. We are all responsible for our own attitudes and our own decisions. I admire your husbands service to our country and hope that both of you can eventually come to love your situation (I'm thinking that's not gonna happen ).

Yes I know some people that stayed here after they did their time, but they are older and they had children and there are a lot of good things about Minot if you have kids...not a lot if you are younger and like night life and fast pace big cities and we are the latter. And I don't really see that we put ourselves in Minot...if we had any choice in the matter AT ALL I would have said NO WAY but can't really do anything about where the AF puts you. The only, only big big problem I have with this is that fact that one: I can't find a job here. In other cities I had been offered jobs that pay what I am looking for in my field but I had to turn down because we were moving here. And two, we have no idea how long we are going to be here. It's like an endless posting and we don't know when we can leave or if we can leave. That makes it even more difficult. If I knew I'd be gone in a year, fine. I'd do the time and we'd leave and we don't know! Picture yourself in Texas with the sweltering heat for months and months and the air condition goes out and someone tells you you have to stay for a few more years but they aren't sure how many. Kinda feel trapped? Yep. So do I. I am trying to find things to make the best of it...but I don't really like anything offered here. I can't find a job, there's really nothing in my field, we don't have money for snow toys or boats, I don't like hunting, not a lot of night life...I really, really find it hard to like it here. I wish I did but it's very hard to find anything to do that I LIKE to do. And yes the weather is nice and we love to hike and we would be doing that...but where do you do that in Minot? I have met tons of people on base and that is where most of my friends are because...not a lot of native Dakota friends, a few, the nice ones, but not a lot and everyone I've met on base minus 1 person dislikes it here but ugh. I don't think I will like it here, ever, but this post was mainly just to find out why I can't find jobs and if anyone knew where I could...got sidetracked along the way about how much (most) air force people dislike Minot lol great for everyone that does it like but it's not mine thing and probably won't be. If I was near retiring, probably wouldn't mind it but we're young and we want to go out and do things and Minot is not really built for that. Not bad, just not for us. If I had known we'd be getting Minot...well, probably woulda just stayed home but too late now! I just want to know when I can LEAVE!
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