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Old 09-12-2010, 09:11 PM
 
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You know, I'm not sure where your friends are making $20/hr doing clerical work and I don't know the Minot job market at all; but I sincerely doubt most clerical jobs in Grand Forks pay anywhere near that. I worked as a legal secretary and later at a construction company doing clerical type work for 10 years when we first moved up here and topped out at $20,000. Now that was probably 12 years ago -- got out of the field and into sales where I feel like I'm making enough to be happy. I don't think there is anybody that's going to claim our wages here in ND are exceptionally good...it took me 5 years to get back to my pre-ND salary after we moved up here. Sorry, it's just not one of ND's strong points, and unfortunately I don't really see that changing any time soon.
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Old 09-12-2010, 10:12 PM
 
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Thing is, as soon as the average wage goes up, so does the cost of living and everything else--almost always enough to more than make up for the higher wages. You never hear about that. People think they've gotten something wonderful with that higher average national wage and in many cases, the math shows they are worse off.

It's never going to happen over the long run, but personally, I'd rather see prices on everything falling. Screw the higher wage and tax bracket. It has happened to an extent with property values and other things lately. But it won't last. It's great if you're looking to buy that building lot or home you could never have dreamed of affording just a couple of years ago. I'm far better off financially now than I was five or ten years ago, thanks mostly to the price dives of a couple of years ago (gas, food, housing, etc) and my deciding that I was finished with being a brain-dead economic junkie.
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Old 09-14-2010, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Texas!!! It's hot but I don't care :)
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Have you tried applying at ING? Most of their listings advertise for anyone with at least a high school degree. If all else fails, you could probably get hired at their call center or something of that nature. It might even pay better than what you're doing now. Good luck, anyway.

I did apply at ING and they contact me 9 months after I applied and were going to offer me a very low paying boring, mindless job. And it took them 9 months to hire me! Lol It seems I might be overqualified for everything here and they just feel like they think I will ask for higher pay. I don't know what else to besides lie on my resume and pretend I'm dumb. Then maybe I'll get a job.
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Old 09-14-2010, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Texas!!! It's hot but I don't care :)
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You know, I'm not sure where your friends are making $20/hr doing clerical work and I don't know the Minot job market at all; but I sincerely doubt most clerical jobs in Grand Forks pay anywhere near that. I worked as a legal secretary and later at a construction company doing clerical type work for 10 years when we first moved up here and topped out at $20,000. Now that was probably 12 years ago -- got out of the field and into sales where I feel like I'm making enough to be happy. I don't think there is anybody that's going to claim our wages here in ND are exceptionally good...it took me 5 years to get back to my pre-ND salary after we moved up here. Sorry, it's just not one of ND's strong points, and unfortunately I don't really see that changing any time soon.
My friend is making $20 an hr in a town smaller than Minot. With a Bible degree. That was her starting pay and she does the same exact thing I do now, just clerical office manager type stuff. North Dakota doesn't really have a lot of strong points for me. I'm not in Grand Forks anyway, my husband is stationed in Minot. I just have to ask, why did you move to North Dakota in the first place?
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Old 09-14-2010, 11:32 AM
 
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Thing is, as soon as the average wage goes up, so does the cost of living and everything else--almost always enough to more than make up for the higher wages. You never hear about that. People think they've gotten something wonderful with that higher average national wage and in many cases, the math shows they are worse off.

It's never going to happen over the long run, but personally, I'd rather see prices on everything falling. Screw the higher wage and tax bracket. It has happened to an extent with property values and other things lately. But it won't last. It's great if you're looking to buy that building lot or home you could never have dreamed of affording just a couple of years ago. I'm far better off financially now than I was five or ten years ago, thanks mostly to the price dives of a couple of years ago (gas, food, housing, etc) and my deciding that I was finished with being a brain-dead economic junkie.
Well our wages definitly haven't gone up! That is what most people think, the older you are, the mor experience, the higher your wages. Nope. Not true. In my opinion, everything in North Dakota is getting higher, especially property taxes!, but wages are staying the same. We could not afford to buy a house if we wanted to, unless it was well below $100,000. And, that should be enough to buy a decent house but no, not in Minot. All houses in this price range need a ton of work and only have one bathroom. I could buy a house for this much somewhere near a big city and it would not need as much work done on it as one here would but oh well. I am here and stuck here until we get out. I think I will begin to sell everything I own on ebay and then make a run for it to Denmark and live the socialist life
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Old 09-14-2010, 01:00 PM
 
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getting higher... especially property taxes!
I must admit, that is the one thing that scares me about North Dakota. The property tax rates seem extreme to me. Everything else about North Dakota attracts me... except that.

Now to be fair, in the area that I'm planning to move (Walsh County), the property values are really, really low. So right now the property tax is low there, dollar-wise. However, the tax rate in the specific town is 3.2% of appraised value!!! That is completely insane; at least in my mind. As I said, right now, the property is appraised very low, so the tax is acceptable. But, if for some reason, the values on property in the area go up... well, as I said, that scares me a bit. The tax would be worse than just living in an apartment and paying rent. The rural areas around where I live now are typically at only about 0.7% for property tax rates (some as low as 0.5%). That's reasonable, but then the property values around here are also much higher. So right now, North Dakota (at least where I plan to go) is quite a bit cheaper (dollar for dollar) that Utah. But with a property tax rate of 3.2%, that could change for the worse very quickly!
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Old 09-14-2010, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Fargo, North Dakota
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thats how places get ya. You will end up paying one way or another. When I moved here, it was a choice between living on the MN side or the ND side of the Red. MN side was cheaper property taxes, but higher income taxes. After some thought about it, I figured in the end, even if its very small, probably have more input on a property tax than I would on an income tax. Schools were also a factor too.

Anyway, as for jobs in the region and pay, really depends on your experience in the field. wanting $35k may not sound like a lot, but from what I gather thats about $16.80 an hour? Assuming that you have no work experience in the jobs you are applying for, that sounds like a lot of money for the jobs you are looking at. I know Assistant Managers at the various youth homes who don't make that much, even some people in the banking industry who handle retirement acccounts who by all accounts are being paid "well" are not making that much.

So, it may be you need to set your pay requirements more realistically for the area you are in. I know its sucks, but, its just the way it is in the area.

As for great pay in a small town, I got an offer like that for a small one once, they needed to pay like that to get you to come out there so it made sense. Wife wasn't on board though due to the fact it was a small town, go figure.
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Old 09-16-2010, 12:43 PM
 
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I have plenty of job experience in many different fields. And 35K is not a lot, not to me. This is what most entry level jobs are. It just astounds me that in other towns smaller than Minot, they offer this to be with no work experience and crap degrees and yet here, in what people consider a boom town (ha ha) they still pay crap for the same jobs. It just blows my mind how ANYONE can make it here, why anyone would want to and why more people don't just leave. Despite the recession and whatnot, they are still hiring in other states and they pay more! The cost of living is the same, not more. Actually, gas is less expensive and many other places have military and student discounts that they don't have here in Minot. Houses are about the same. My parents paid around $115,000 and they have a nice 3 bed room 3 bath house with a huge fenced in yard on the rich side of town right outside Dallas and they bought this house 4 years ago when the market was doing a little better than it is now so prices were higher. Here, in Minot, you want a house for that much it's going to be a small 2 bed 1 bath craptastic house. My pay right now is realistic for the Minot, I suppose, but not realistic for my bills I have to pay due to living here. Everything is more expensive than what I was paying. It just boggles me, really. I don't understand. Yeah I definitely wont' be on board for another small town ever again. It's just not worth it to me, to cut your expectations and pay and life to fit around somewhere you didn't even want to go in the first place. I also just found out more wonderful news that ONLY pertains to North Dakota that will now cause even more financial pressure for us. I just don't know how much more we can take of this. I check jobsnd everyday and there is still not much in the price range I am looking for. It's very, very frustrating.
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Old 09-20-2010, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Fargo, North Dakota
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Unfortunately for you the experience you have isn't enough that the places you are applying feel that its worth paying you the amount of money you are seeking for the kind of work they are doing. Ultimately, that is what it comes down to. As someone put it to a mutual friend of his and mine, who was frustrated about his job pay, you can be the greatest fast food fry cook in the world, doesn't mean I need to pay you any more than what is needed to get the job done. It may be that is what you are running into.

I think as far as expenses go, you are butting up against those who have the money from the oil jobs around the area I am guessing.

And as for housing, lots of demand there for it in Minot from what I am hearing.
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Old 09-20-2010, 03:29 PM
 
Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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I think as far as expenses go, you are butting up against those who have the money from the oil jobs around the area I am guessing.
That's the bad thing about a "boom" economy. If you're not part of the boom, the only thing that's going to go boom for you is your finances...
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