Some articles and information about fracking (price, legally, safety)

[golfer2122]

Why is "our" oil going to China?

Truth of the matter is... the Politicians (and Corporations paid off) have been bought and paid for by the Chinese!

One fact, little known to people: The Chinese Military OWNS every company in China.... Look it up... Ittttttttttt's TRUE!

[ursa22]

Originally Posted by golfer2122

Why is "our" oil going to China?

Truth of the matter is... the Politicians (and Corporations paid off) have been bought and paid for by the Chinese!

One fact, little known to people: The Chinese Military OWNS every company in China.... Look it up... Ittttttttttt's TRUE!

China holds approx. $900 billion worth of U.S. debt. They've managed to colonize the U.S. and lay claim to U.S. resources without the associated cost of invading.

[JanND]

Originally Posted by HighPlainsDrifter73

Not only that, but I read somewhere that most of the oil that would go through the XL pipeline would get refined down south and exported. Not sure how true this is, but I would not be happy about that when we need to keep any oil underground in the US in the US. America first for a change!

I ran across a very interesting thread in the general forum this am. Lots of information re pipeline. Why are we going to Build the Keystone XL?
I am hoping some of these folks will come visit N.D. forum, while we do have many seemingly experienced and knowledgeable folks contributing here, we could use some
real "quoted" facts rather than just knee jerk, "because I said so" emotions on here. I am here to learn, like many others

[lisan23]

Originally Posted by ursa22

So the trucks at a frac site which have placards which designate their cargoe(s) as hazardous materials aren't carrying toxins?

I don't know if they are or not. Hazardous material may include toxins, but toxins may not be in all hazardous material. And btw, almost all oilfield related trucks tend to have that HazMat sign on them. Wireline trucks have them but they're not fracking.


Here is what a toxin is:
tox·in noun /ˈtäksin/ 
toxins, plural

1. An antigenic poison or venom of plant or animal origin, esp. one produced by or derived from microorganisms and causing disease when present at low concentration in the body

[ElkHunter]

Originally Posted by ursa22

So the trucks at a frac site which have placards which designate their cargoe(s) as hazardous materials aren't carrying toxins?

I don't know. What does the placard say? There are hundreds of different placards, each designating what they have on board. Just because they have a placard doesn't mean they are carrying anything bad, the placard is simply so law enforcement, or fire department, can identify the load. Milk carry's a placard. Much the same as MSDS sheets. Anything, under your cupboard carry's a MSDS sheet. Doesn't mean it's bad.

[lisan23]

Originally Posted by ElkHunter

I don't know. What does the placard say? There are hundreds of different placards, each designating what they have on board. Just because they have a placard doesn't mean they are carrying anything bad, the placard is simply so law enforcement, or fire department, can identify the load. Milk carry's a placard. Much the same as MSDS sheets. Anything, under your cupboard carry's a MSDS sheet. Doesn't mean it's bad.

Exactly, almost everything on an oilfield location is going to have placards.

I would have just rep'd you, but I couldn't lol.

[ursa22]

Originally Posted by ElkHunter

I don't know. What does the placard say? There are hundreds of different placards, each designating what they have on board. Just because they have a placard doesn't mean they are carrying anything bad, the placard is simply so law enforcement, or fire department, can identify the load. Milk carry's a placard. Much the same as MSDS sheets. Anything, under your cupboard carry's a MSDS sheet. Doesn't mean it's bad.

I've held a CDL with HazMat endorsement for 26 years and have driven approx. 2.5 million miles. In that time I've gained a little knowledge about the purposes of placards. They communicate a risk.

[ursa22]

Originally Posted by lisan23

I don't know if they are or not. Hazardous material may include toxins, but toxins may not be in all hazardous material. And btw, almost all oilfield related trucks tend to have that HazMat sign on them. Wireline trucks have them but they're not fracking.


Here is what a toxin is:
tox·in noun /ˈtäksin/ 

toxins, plural

1. An antigenic poison or venom of plant or animal origin, esp. one produced by or derived from microorganisms and causing disease when present at low concentration in the body

So, are you saying there are known knowns, unknown knowns, and known unknowns in regard to toxins used in fracking. "And by the way", I drive a truck. In the oil patch. With loads that require placards (sometimes).

[ursa22]

Originally Posted by lisan23

I don't know if they are or not. Hazardous material may include toxins, but toxins may not be in all hazardous material. And btw, almost all oilfield related trucks tend to have that HazMat sign on them. Wireline trucks have them but they're not fracking.


Here is what a toxin is:
tox·in noun /ˈtäksin/ 

toxins, plural

1. An antigenic poison or venom of plant or animal origin, esp. one produced by or derived from microorganisms and causing disease when present at low concentration in the body

Could you clue me in as to what a "HazMat sign" is? Do the trucks hauling water have a "HazMat sign" on them? You might want to read a little deeper into the definition of "toxin".

[lisan23]

Originally Posted by ursa22

So, are you saying there are known knowns, unknown knowns, and known unknowns in regard to toxins used in fracking. "And by the way", I drive a truck. In the oil patch. With loads that require placards (sometimes).

Congratulations on driving a truck in the oil patch. I had no idea you did that.

(I'm being sarcastic.)

At this point since companies are not required by law to disclose what is in fracking fluid the only thing that is known is that it's unknown. You tried to assert that there are toxins in fracking fluid, I pointed out that would be impossible to know at this point in time.