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Old 04-20-2012, 09:41 AM
 
Location: North Dakota
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It's up to LE to enforce this, and evidently they plan do try and do it - somehow, otherwise we wouldn't even be discussing it now.

Most people can get a pretty good impression of other people by how they post and what they post. That is why we all have certain feelings about other members, it's all based on the posts they make and what they state in those posts.

This has nothing to do with drivers licenses, it is in regards to registering vehicles. It is up to the folks who are coming here to work to educate themselves on what they need to do to be within the bounds of the law. It's not up to the state to stop every single person coming here to work and then read them the laws of ND. What ever happened to personal responsibility?

Saying that the vast majority of people don't even know about it, doesn't matter, it's the law.

People need to take the steps to educate themselves when they are working in a place that isn't their home, or face the consequences of choosing to remain uninformed.

Some officers are more lenient than others - no doubt, so it's all in the luck of the draw on that one.

An article addressing some of the very things we are discussing, lots of info:

http://www.grandforksherald.com/even...cle/id/234538/

Last edited by Norsk/Deutsch/Polska; 04-20-2012 at 10:14 AM.. Reason: Added link, corrected spelling error.
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Western Nebraskansas
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I think you might need to re-read the thread.

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It's up to LE to enforce this, and evidently they plan do try and do it - somehow, otherwise we wouldn't even be discussing it now.
We're discussing it now because someone asked a pretty typical question that you see on any of the state boards in any given month.
It was the answer that was unexpected and created the conversation.

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This has nothing to do with drivers licenses,
Re-read the thread. I was responding to ElkHunter's post. That's why I quoted it.

And I'm thinking an article in the Grand Forks paper isn't going to help much for the thousands of guys in the oil patch...However, it does prove my theory: It's a minor fine--$100. Which, doesn't "far exceed doing it right," btw.


My point remains, when a law is something unexpected, there is no way people are even going to know they're supposed to go looking for it. And ignorance of the law is indeed an excuse. It happens everyday. That's a part of the purpose of "warnings", afterall.
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Old 04-20-2012, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Valley City, ND
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ND has some of the lowest license & insurance rates on the nation. We pay $60-$70 in license fees for each of our 3 vehicles and insurance is around $150/year each.

Here in Valley City, I know the cops keep track of unfamiliar vehicles and after 30-40 days you get a note in the mail suggesting you get r done.
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Old 04-20-2012, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Western Nebraskansas
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ND has some of the lowest license & insurance rates on the nation. We pay $60-$70 in license fees for each of our 3 vehicles and insurance is around $150/year each.

Here in Valley City, I know the cops keep track of unfamiliar vehicles and after 30-40 days you get a note in the mail suggesting you get r done.
Mail? This goes back to the issue of an address... and no, $60-70 isn't bad. Thats what we always paid in nebraska, too.
But they're asking $120 (DOUBLE what you as a resident pay), and that's on top of what people are paying in *their* state of residence...
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Old 04-20-2012, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Minot, ND
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... most people have never heard of it but it's a relatively small fine, so they don't argue, they just pay it...
IDK how it works here but for insurance, it never mattered what the fine was. Each offense had so many points associated with it and that determined your annual premium. Similar thing here? I honestly never cared about the fine it was always the insurance.

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If you don't actually have an address, you can't get a driver's license in the state even if you want one. lol...
I had this problem in Alaska for a while. What a pain in the tootie. My MA license had been expired for three months at that point to boot.

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.... and insurance is around $150/year each.
Wha?!? I'm a convert! I'll be legal w/i the time limit. ... Well close.
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Old 04-20-2012, 03:47 PM
 
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You are probably speaking to deaf ears about licensing, either car or person.

College students are usually exempt and can maintain their home state plates. For others, it doesn't make any difference who it is licensed to and where they live, it matters where it is used. I could see it now, "Well, I drive this semi for Mid West Coast and Tom Jordan owns it and he lives in Mitchell South Dakota, so there for I don't have to license to pull in your state, right?"

However, workers should license and plate. But they won't. Most will think that their State Income tax will cover everything they do. They don't consider a lot of other things that this ties into. They rent, so they are not contributing to the community in any form, what-so-ever. They are not helping out with the parks or activities for kids around town. Nothing to the Library system, but I would bet that they are the majority user of the computers there. Hiking trails, bike paths, boat ramps, skate parks,, traffic signs, intersetion lights, even the bench by the intersection to set and rest. The beautification of down town, benches, statues, landmarks and all of the equipment at the city park. I've heard and seen hundreds, if not thousands, of posts on City Data saying, "I'm moving to North Dakota, what is there for kids to do?" Yet they won't contribute to what kids will do. But they'll sure raise hell when 8 teenagers are bored, and opt to keep themselves busy.

So what makes you think that they want to contribute to Highway Safety Campains, alert signs, 511 Notify, highway cams, and rest areas?

A lot of people want to become a part of the community but they are complete blind to what makes a community.


Interesting view you have there.
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Old 04-20-2012, 05:38 PM
 
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I think you might need to re-read the thread.

We're discussing it now because someone asked a pretty typical question that you see on any of the state boards in any given month.
It was the answer that was unexpected and created the conversation.

Re-read the thread. I was responding to ElkHunter's post. That's why I quoted it.

And I'm thinking an article in the Grand Forks paper isn't going to help much for the thousands of guys in the oil patch...However, it does prove my theory: It's a minor fine--$100. Which, doesn't "far exceed doing it right," btw.


My point remains, when a law is something unexpected, there is no way people are even going to know they're supposed to go looking for it. And ignorance of the law is indeed an excuse. It happens everyday. That's a part of the purpose of "warnings", afterall.
Yep, lots of folks are ignorant. The jails are full of em. One way or the other, we locals will get to pay for those that don't. Somehow I think I always expect more from folks that many of us offer help and support while they are planning to come to our state and reside and be gainfully employed. It sort of surprizes a person to see someone that edits folks grammar, defending ignorance of the law as a justifiable excuse.
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Old 04-20-2012, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Minot, ND
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I'm not for defending ignorance of the law. But when researching registration it's more of, "how long can I stay before I need to get plates?" Connecting employment and registration like ElkHunter alluded to is an association I (and apparently many) never would have thought.

Anywho... we all know now. I'm going to be a convert! Hallelujah!!! Saves me $$$ having ND insurance. Just don't tell me I can have ND insurance and MA plates. I'm too lazy to do the research now and don't want to know.
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Old 04-20-2012, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Western Nebraskansas
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Yep, lots of folks are ignorant. The jails are full of em. One way or the other, we locals will get to pay for those that don't. Somehow I think I always expect more from folks that many of us offer help and support while they are planning to come to our state and reside and be gainfully employed. It sort of surprizes a person to see someone that edits folks grammar, defending ignorance of the law as a justifiable excuse.
I thought maybe I was just taking your last couple of posts wrong, but this is getting downright snotty...



You do realize I'm speaking in generalities, right?

(Or maybe I'm just missing something as the "edits folks' grammar" thing completely baffles me) As it stands, I really don't know what I ever did to you to deserve such nastiness...
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Old 04-20-2012, 07:01 PM
 
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I'm not for defending ignorance of the law. But when researching registration it's more of, "how long can I stay before I need to get plates?" Connecting employment and registration like ElkHunter alluded to is an association I (and apparently many) never would have thought.

Anywho... we all know now. I'm going to be a convert! Hallelujah!!! Saves me $$$ having ND insurance. Just don't tell me I can have ND insurance and MA plates. I'm too lazy to do the research now and don't want to know.
LOL, No worries....We'll keep that for another day.
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