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Old 10-26-2014, 07:39 PM
 
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Interesting that an ethane pipeline will not be necessary, if a company like OneOK or Hess just separates the ethane from the methane straight from the gas pipeline.

Could see a small town like New Salem or Carrington really benefitting from their nearby gas pipelines. Still probably the Bismarck area or Jamestown gets it. That plant will need 4 or 5000 construction workers.

Gilliam the CEO of Badlands also mentioned that the Bakken could be the natural location of a world class refinery, (Mandan's Tesoro doesn't have a cracker for breaking down the heavy bits of oil and doesn't have much capacity) and that a polypropylene plant is also likely in ND.
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Old 10-27-2014, 07:35 AM
 
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Interesting that an ethane pipeline will not be necessary, if a company like OneOK or Hess just separates the ethane from the methane straight from the gas pipeline.

Could see a small town like New Salem or Carrington really benefitting from their nearby gas pipelines. Still probably the Bismarck area or Jamestown gets it. That plant will need 4 or 5000 construction workers.

Gilliam the CEO of Badlands also mentioned that the Bakken could be the natural location of a world class refinery, (Mandan's Tesoro doesn't have a cracker for breaking down the heavy bits of oil and doesn't have much capacity) and that a polypropylene plant is also likely in ND.

The secret to refineries is that they are like Lay's Potato chips, you can't build just one.

If the environment makes building one new refinery profitable, then once that refinery is built, the environment is even better for building another.

Pipelines are the arteries for refineries. They tie them together and allow them to take the by products of one and integrate into the processes of another, and they allow them to move by products of upsets to another refinery or into the holding areas (In Texas and Louisiana these are great underground salt domes.) So that valuable chemicals can be saved rather than flared.

Finally, the contractors that are required for refineries can be more competitive. You will need environmental clean up contractors, and fire equipment repair contractors, and drug testing contractors, and so on. In a one off refinery, either these things have to be held internally, or the contractor has to get all of its income from the one refinery. When you have multiple refineries these costs can be shared.

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Old 01-08-2015, 08:53 PM
 
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The location of the cracker plant was supposed to announced in December. No word yet. The financial markets might be awfully jittery about the oil, nat gas, and NGL business now, so finances might be a problem.

OneOK is adding de-ethanizers to two of its plants west of Williston. Since it wouldn't make sense for OneOK to pipe the ethane south (ethane is dirt cheap there and not worth the cost of pumping it across the country), the ethane must be going north to Canada through Pembina Pipeline's Vantage pipeline to Alberta from Tioga, or OneOK is going to build their own pipeline east. The other gas plants that OneOK has in McKenzie COunty would probably match up quite well with demand from the proposed cracker.

The other possibility is the Hess will supply the ethane instead of pumping it to Alberta. The ethane pipeline could then be converted to distillate, which is badly needed in Alberta to ship tar sands.
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