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Old 02-13-2011, 07:33 PM
 
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Looking at the news around here, there are a lot of folks that go into trees or houses before they are arrested. In other places you had to fear the cops before you went out. I'm sure it's a risk too even if buzzed, but by looking at the news, I've never seen so many people being so pickled that they'd did so much damage than around here. Still so, I wouldn't risk going out over the limit.
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Old 02-13-2011, 09:01 PM
 
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I'm sure it's a risk too even if buzzed, but by looking at the news, I've never seen so many people being so pickled that they'd did so much damage than around here.
Welcome to NEPA.
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Old 02-14-2011, 04:41 AM
 
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Twenty or thirty years ago 60 Minutes featured a story on (I think) Sweden’s drunk driving laws. They had a zero tolerance for drunk driving and they would take your license for life (if caught). Because of the severity of the punishment; there was very little drunk driving. Almost everybody had designated drivers or did their drinking at home.

I haven’t heard any recent follow-ups on that old news story - or have I done any research.

Most of us do agree that we do not want drunk drivers on our roads. The only way that we will ever accomplish that is from aggressive enforcement. The fact that a conviction can cost 8 to 10 grand should be enough incentive to keep drunk drivers off our roads - but it will not; if not enforced.
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Old 02-14-2011, 04:48 AM
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Twenty or thirty years ago 60 Minutes featured a story on (I think) Sweden’s drunk driving laws. They had a zero tolerance for drunk driving and they would take your license for life (if caught). Because of the severity of the punishment; there was very little drunk driving. Almost everybody had designated drivers or did their drinking at home.

I haven’t heard any recent follow-ups on that old news story - or have I done any research.

Most of us do agree that we do not want drunk drivers on our roads. The only way that we will ever accomplish that is from aggressive enforcement. The fact that a conviction can cost 8 to 10 grand should be enough incentive to keep drunk drivers off our roads - but it will not; if not enforced.
Couldn't agree more. What good are laws when they are not enforced? I love Sweden's drunk driving laws and would not be opposed to such stringent laws here. Germany has very strict drunk driving laws as well.
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Old 02-14-2011, 05:41 AM
 
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In many instances, drivers who are caught DUI are driving on a suspended license (for DUI) or with no license at all. These people are scofflaws. Catch 'em. Suspend or revoke their licenses and there is absolutely no guarantee that they will stop their bad behavior. Remember - they were breaking the law at the start.

What's the answer? I have no idea.
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:20 PM
 
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Twenty or thirty years ago 60 Minutes featured a story on (I think) Sweden’s drunk driving laws. They had a zero tolerance for drunk driving and they would take your license for life (if caught). Because of the severity of the punishment; there was very little drunk driving. Almost everybody had designated drivers or did their drinking at home.

I haven’t heard any recent follow-ups on that old news story - or have I done any research.

Most of us do agree that we do not want drunk drivers on our roads. The only way that we will ever accomplish that is from aggressive enforcement. The fact that a conviction can cost 8 to 10 grand should be enough incentive to keep drunk drivers off our roads - but it will not; if not enforced.
For many people, losing 8 or 10 thousand would be costly, but not a huge deal in their lives. I'm sure that the Kennedys would have NO problem paying a fine like that, wouldn't make a difference in their lives. But time in jail sure would!
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Old 02-24-2011, 06:04 AM
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I usually do not post on the NEPA board, but felt I had to chime in based on personal experience.

About a year ago, I was visiting some friends who live in the area. We visited a certain Scranton drinking establishment. I had two drinks and some food over the course of 2 hours. One friend drank heavily, and the other drank nothing. I was on one car and the other two in another, with the sober one driving that one. My personal experience (I own a breathalyzer, odd gift from mom, I know) is that it would take me double that quantity to qualify me for DUI under PA laws. I have never and will never get behind the wheel after drinking enough to qualify for DUI in PA.

So I left the bar, headed for the friends' house about 5 miles away. A car appeared to be following me closely. I am driving at the speed limit. I swerved to avoid a large pothole, which caused me to cross the double yellow line by like 2 feet. Traffic was light. It was around 10 on a Friday night. The flashing lights came on behind me almost immediately. I pulled over. Cop asks the usual "have you been drinking, where are you going?" questions. Says he suspects me of DUI. I take the test and blow a .04. Then makes me do the "one foot behind the other" walk along a line. I did it perfectly. 45 minutes after I was stopped, he runs every kind of computer check he can on me (all come up clean, this is the first time I had ever been pulled over in my life), then gives me a "careless driving" ticket.

Not only that, he suspects that I am unsafe to drive despite being under the limit. He would not release me unless I had a person who hadn't been drinking pick me up. So I call my friends and they come to the scene. I figure they will drive me home and we'll pick up the car tomorrow. So they show up and the cop gives a breath test to the driver (who had not been drinking). Finding nothing, in utter disgust, he finally lets us all go home.

That is pretty much harrassment of innocent people. I don't know if the officer was the one being mentioned on here, but it completely discouraged me from partaking in any future nightlife in Scranton. I have not been back since. The cops don't do that where I live. They go after the people at 2am who are actually DRUNK and drive 60 in a 35, are all over the road, run stop signs, etc.
He should have allowed you to drive home, absolutely. That is ridiculous!

However, swerving over the line is a major red flag of drunk driving so I don't disagree with him pulling you over. The careless driving ticket is probably overkill though. My husband got one for proceeding through a yellow-turning-red light in Wilkes-Barre Twp.

BTW, why should time of day matter? There are drunks on the road at all hours. I think it is a cop's job to investigate suspicious driving.
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Old 02-25-2011, 06:10 PM
 
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I believe my point has been corroborated by Johnz963's post This isnt the exception, its the rule . Word is out and many many people dont go to downtown Scranton because of this.. BTW, the officer makes quite a good buck attending the Magistrates hearings its overtime.. chaaaaa ching!!!
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Old 02-25-2011, 09:14 PM
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I believe my point has been corroborated by Johnz963's post This isnt the exception, its the rule . Word is out and many many people dont go to downtown Scranton because of this.. BTW, the officer makes quite a good buck attending the Magistrates hearings its overtime.. chaaaaa ching!!!
Again, if he swerved over the yellow line, the cop had just cause to pull him over. However, he did not have just cause to demand the person not drive home.
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Old 02-25-2011, 11:39 PM
 
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Magrette,
Did you notice the part where the officer breathalizered the person who picked him up?? what was the probable cause for that?
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