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Old 04-27-2011, 07:53 AM
 
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At one time the circus coming to town was the only way many people would ever see an exotic animal. Sorry folks, but circuses (sp/) are a part of human history, and like human history it is colored with good, bad, and indifferent. I personally have many found memories of Ringling Brothers, and the Big Apple Circus, and I will not be made to believe that it is a "guilty" pleasure. I do not think we should ignore out right animal cruelty, if we see it, hear it or read about, prosecute it to the full extent of the law; but I wish the human race would concentrate on curing the ILLS OF THE HUMAN RACE FIRST! Sorry, but I think we need to save our selves and our children, then the planet. If the animal rights folks put all their enegry into assiting abused, neglected, undereducated, and underfeed children in our country, we could probally elimate our childrens ongoing issues and move on up the ladder...

 
Old 04-27-2011, 08:42 AM
 
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At one time the circus coming to town was the only way many people would ever see an exotic animal. Sorry folks, but circuses (sp/) are a part of human history, and like human history it is colored with good, bad, and indifferent. I personally have many found memories of Ringling Brothers, and the Big Apple Circus, and I will not be made to believe that it is a "guilty" pleasure. I do not think we should ignore out right animal cruelty, if we see it, hear it or read about, prosecute it to the full extent of the law; but I wish the human race would concentrate on curing the ILLS OF THE HUMAN RACE FIRST! Sorry, but I think we need to save our selves and our children, then the planet. If the animal rights folks put all their enegry into assiting abused, neglected, undereducated, and underfeed children in our country, we could probally elimate our childrens ongoing issues and move on up the ladder...
---wish i could rep you

btw--i used to watch some of ringlings trainers---they were neither cruel nor inhuman to the animals----not all circus people that work with animals are bad---animal protestors need to focus on how inhumanly animals bred for food are being treated(for ex.cows,chickens,etc)
 
Old 04-27-2011, 08:48 AM
 
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If the animal rights folks put all their enegry into assiting abused, neglected, undereducated, and underfeed children in our country

I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive.....is it not possible to be outraged at both human and animal abuse? Are we only capable of being against one or the other?
 
Old 04-27-2011, 10:43 AM
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They are not mutually exclusive! I am concerned with the welfare of children in this country and around the world. I am also concerned with the environment and social justice and public policy reform.

In fact, here is I have a personal connection to all of this - at the turn of the last century my great great grand mother was active in the NYC ASPCA.
Here's a sad but true note - in the late 1800s the ASPCA handled cases of CHILD ABUSE! Pretty sad. And those women actually lobbied for a separate agency to monitor reported cases of child abuse.
(This was in NYC it may have evolved differently in NEPA)

The point is that the two cause are very connected.
The other point is that if you look into how the wild animals are treated to get them to be docile, it's horrible.
I personally have no problem with domestic animals, such as dogs, actually ENJOY performing. They are domesticated already, so they don't need to be beaten into submission first and then trained.
Poodles are particularly well suited to this and the are not going to turn on their trainer and take a chunk out of their arm!
 
Old 04-27-2011, 10:56 AM
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Since I'm Agnostic, I don't have to depend on my faith to tell me what I should believe or not believe. I think electrocuting an animal into performing circus tricks is worse than shooting it in the head to eat.
 
Old 04-27-2011, 10:58 AM
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I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive.....is it not possible to be outraged at both human and animal abuse? Are we only capable of being against one or the other?
Of course we are GP. But then what fun would it be for the naysayers? LOL
 
Old 04-27-2011, 11:02 AM
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@ Lehigh Valley Native
Genesis 1:26 is not a call to abuse the animals of the earth. Some Fundamentalist Christians do interpret it that way, but since when did you become a fundamentalist? If I recall you are a member of a liberal mainline denomination as I am, that teaches us to be good stewards of the earth and of it's creatures.

The idea of people protesting animal cruelty, then going to eat at McDonald's is absurd. Where do you get that information?

My son is a vegan BTW. Verses following Genesis 1:26 advocate a vegan diet.
 
Old 04-27-2011, 03:58 PM
 
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@ Lehigh Valley Native
Genesis 1:26 is not a call to abuse the animals of the earth. Some Fundamentalist Christians do interpret it that way, but since when did you become a fundamentalist? If I recall you are a member of a liberal mainline denomination as I am, that teaches us to be good stewards of the earth and of it's creatures.

The idea of people protesting animal cruelty, then going to eat at McDonald's is absurd. Where do you get that information?

My son is a vegan BTW. Verses following Genesis 1:26 advocate a vegan diet.
I don't believe that animals in a circus is abuse! No fundie here.

Yes. My statement was as rediculious as you stating that you know dogs "actually enjoy" performing in a circus. If you can make up BS statements so can I .

Last edited by Lehigh Valley Native; 04-27-2011 at 04:06 PM.. Reason: sorry for the multiple posts. playing around with my wife's ipad
 
Old 04-27-2011, 04:15 PM
 
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Since I'm Agnostic, I don't have to depend on my faith to tell me what I should believe or not believe. I think electrocuting an animal into performing circus tricks is worse than shooting it in the head to eat.
Ah agnostic, taking the easy way out.

Based on your statement do you believe that using invisible fencing and shocking dogs to train them to stay in the yard, is worse than the dog being hit by a car?

Or maybe eliminate the fencing, and chain them to a pole or lock them in a cage. That sounds oddly familiar.
 
Old 04-27-2011, 04:20 PM
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Ah agnostic, taking the easy way out.

Based on your statement do you believe that using invisible fencing and shocking dogs to train them to stay in the yard, is worse than the dog being hit by a car?

Or maybe eliminate the fencing, and chain them to a pole or lock them in a cage. That sounds oddly familiar.
Nah. The honest (to me) way. I don't know and can't say. A dog being hit by a car is usually an accident. I don't really do the whole electro shock form of behavior modification so I'll let you guess my answer to that one.
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