Occupy Wilkes-Barre - Be cautious and read with care! (lawyers, legal)

[NYRangers 2008]

Originally Posted by weluvpa

Oh christ will you please listen to what your saying...Its Occupy Wilkes-Barre for crying out loud, its a JOKE.

Occupy Scranton is the same thing, A JOKE. The President was here and all they could muster was 5 or 6 people holding idiotic half-ass written signs.

By harping on this and continuously going on and on and on and on about it you are just giving them the attention they so desperately crave and desire.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CAN'T SEE THAT.

Its like a mosquito bite, if you pay attention to it and scratch it, it will get irritated and become an issue.

IF YOU LEAVE IT ALONE AND DON'T BOTHER WITH IT, IT WILL MOST LIKELY GO AWAY.

I agree. Stop talking about these loons and their cause and they will go back under whatever rocks they crawled out from under. I have had it up to here with OWS........Occupy some common sense and decency, could they please?

[weluvpa]

Originally Posted by Magritte25

I have every goddamned American right to speak out about the danger of a group like this. You bet your red, white and blue ass I do. I will exercise that right until I die.

Never said you didn't have the right to speak out

Originally Posted by Magritte25

I will also add that while that group has every right to assemble and speak, no matter how vile their message, I and others have every right to voice our opinions of their group and stance.

EXACTLY what I said, but the difference is that your speaking out while others are ready to get the pitch forks and roast the witches on the stakes in the fires at village square.

What I think is funny is that a handful of idiotic haters that called themselves a loosely formed group and attached themselves to a cause that has no backbone or real direction and then a few members decided to blame their problems on the Jews in Wilkes-Barre PA and...........

Your reaction is over the top, lets shut them down, they are haters, throw away our laws and freedoms and lets get em because I don't like what they have to say or who they are....

Actually kind of hypocritical and ignorant in its own right huh??

[toobusytoday]

Just for clarity's sake, I'd like to point out that everyone on this forum has expressed their distaste for the Wilkes-Barre OWS group. No one agrees with their anti-semitism and hate talk.

The only difference of opinion, as I see it, is that some people think that it's their right to say what they want and others think that hate groups are wrong no matter what.

I would appreciate it if we could stick to the subject of the local OWS groups themselves though and not let that groups hate mongering spill over into this forum.

[sheena12]

I think that a point of free speech has been crossed when a group such as OW-B, calles the Holocaust a "theory"- or when a person posts saying the same thing.

I have see two concentration camps. I have met people who have survived concentration camps. I have seen their tattoos and listened to their stories.

In one camp I saw thousands of little leather children's shoes. Mary Jane's and oxfords in tiny sizes. These children were gassed immediately after being stripped and tattooed.
Little leather shows that were once used to play in, now piled in a place of death.

Do not call this a "theory"

[toobusytoday]

Originally Posted by loose cannon

I am tied in somewhat with the occupy movement. I do not believe most things I hear on the news. I am an Alex Jones fan, Jesse Ventura fan, Ron Paul suupporter ect. I do believe that Israel as well as other countries no longer should be funded. However, I am not against Jewish people nor do I accept the holocaust theory. That is absolute bull! I distance myself from this woman and others like her.

I think that what loose cannon is saying here is that he knows that the holocaust was real - what he doesn't believe in is the "holocaust theory" bull that this anti-Semite group was spouting. loose cannon lives in the Lehigh Valley, he doesn't post here very often. No one on this forum has suggested at any time that they agree with or are in favor of this hate group.

I think we all get that the holocaust happened.

[Magritte25]

Originally Posted by weluvpa

Never said you didn't have the right to speak out



EXACTLY what I said, but the difference is that your speaking out while others are ready to get the pitch forks and roast the witches on the stakes in the fires at village square.

What I think is funny is that a handful of idiotic haters that called themselves a loosely formed group and attached themselves to a cause that has no backbone or real direction and then a few members decided to blame their problems on the Jews in Wilkes-Barre PA and...........

Your reaction is over the top, lets shut them down, they are haters, throw away our laws and freedoms and lets get em because I don't like what they have to say or who they are....

Actually kind of hypocritical and ignorant in its own right huh??

Not hypocritical. I don't think the government should tell them not to assemble and speak. I think that if enough concerned citizens are vocal enough and it causes this group to disband, that's merely an exercise in the power of American rights.

Kind of using fire to fight fire.

[jetgraphics]

I have no problem with peaceful assembly or petitioning for redress of grievances.
BUT
What specific law were the OWS protesting? Who was the injured party?

The "right" to peaceful assembly ends when it becomes trespass upon the rights of others to use those public places.
The fact of the matter, the "occupiers" were being used to destabilize the USA, not petition for redress of grievance.
That is why they had no specific goal in mind, other than agitation.
In short, they were "useful idiots".

Tea’d Partisans v. Occupiers

• One group obeys laws, the other violates them.
• One group gets permission and pays fees, the other doesn't get permission nor pays fees.
• One group peaceably assembles without trespassing on the rights of other people, the other trespasses on property, and interferes with the rights of other people.
• One group is pilloried in the mass media, the other gets high praise.

[fisheye]

Originally Posted by toobusytoday

I think that what loose cannon is saying here is that he knows that the holocaust was real - what he doesn't believe in is the "holocaust theory" bull that this anti-Semite group was spouting. loose cannon lives in the Lehigh Valley, he doesn't post here very often. No one on this forum has suggested at any time that they agree with or are in favor of this hate group.

I think we all get that the holocaust happened.

I don’t think that Sheena ever said that OWS did not have the right to be heard. I guess that we can say the same about our rights to speak up and complain about the hate speech this group is preaching. Hopefully, national attention on an extreme element of any group; will help rein the fringe in?

It is actually more of an experiment to force OWS to take a position. If they do not speak up (I applaud OWS “loose cannon” for speaking up); they condone the local movement. I did forward the link to this thread to one nationally syndicated columnist. I don’t know if anything will happen? But; there is always a chance that others are trying to put national attention on this local group.

[weluvpa]

Originally Posted by sheena12

I think that a point of free speech has been crossed when a group such as OW-B, calles the Holocaust a "theory"- or when a person posts saying the same thing.

I have see two concentration camps. I have met people who have survived concentration camps. I have seen their tattoos and listened to their stories.

In one camp I saw thousands of little leather children's shoes. Mary Jane's and oxfords in tiny sizes. These children were gassed immediately after being stripped and tattooed.
Little leather shows that were once used to play in, now piled in a place of death.

Do not call this a "theory"

You need to read:

In 1977 the leader of National Socialist Party of America Frank Collin announced the party's intention to march through the largely Jewish community of Skokie, Illinois where one in six residents was a Holocaust survivor. Originally, the NSPA had planned a political rally in Marquette Park in Chicago; however the Chicago authorities thwarted these plans, first, by requiring the NSPA post an onerous public-safety-insurance bond, then, by banning all political demonstrations in Marquette Park.

On behalf of the NSPA the ACLU challenged the injunction issued by the Circuit Court of Cook County, Illinois prohibiting marchers at the proposed Skokie rally from wearing Nazi uniforms or displaying swastikas. The ACLU was represented by civil rights attorney Burton Joseph. The challengers argued that the injunction violated the First Amendment rights of the marchers to express themselves freely.

I spent everyday for a year IN ISRAEL eating lunch with survivors and I lived above a great women who was the ONLY member of the 10 people in her family to survive the camps, she taught me much and showed me things that you will never see on a tour of a camp.

I lived with these people and learned much from them, BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE LAWS OF THIS NATION.

You don't determine when a line has been crossed here or anywhere in this nation, you have no right, no basis.

You started this thread to hear yourself rant, you put more light on this group then it deserves and you will not and can not stop what they are doing because they are doing NOTHING WRONG.

Waving our rights, that where granted to us on the backs of many men that have given their lives to secure those freedoms for us as a nation, to suit your personal crusade is anti-American, close minded and hypocritical.

[sheena12]

Originally Posted by Magritte25

Not hypocritical. I don't think the government should tell them not to assemble and speak. I think that if enough concerned citizens are vocal enough and it causes this group to disband, that's merely an exercise in the power of American rights.

Kind of using fire to fight fire.

I agree whole heatedly. If people object to this, and assemble when they do, they do, and not act as though it is "going to go away" the American process will work.

If we permit them to say things that are false and hateful, we are giving away OUR rights. Apathy is not an "American Virtue"