Snow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ScranBarre]

Originally Posted by I LOVE PA!

Yes, hte garage is a true luxury!! You don't realize how much until you finally have one! I won't ever be without one ever again. It still amazes me the families I know who have so much crap in their garage that they can't park their car in it during the harsh winter months.

(Raises hand)

[weluvpa]

Originally Posted by I LOVE PA!

cathyde...Congratulations! I'm sure you are loving your new neighborhood! Isn't the view just beautiful? If you drive all the way back in the development, the view is breath taking. Those houses in the back...they really have a view! Well, you see what I mean about snow in your area! Don't worry...you'll get used to it, and you are so close to Dunmore, right over the mountain to Price Chopper.
I hope we are neighbors some day! And don't feel bad, I had to dig out boots too and haven't even really worn a winter coat yet, mostly just hand out in the back seat of my car!

My family had a house at Moosic Lakes just up from the JH developement that we just sold after 30 years. We sold that house and my mom and pop moved down into the city because the sewers went thru. In the 25 years that I lived there, they built 5 new homes, since the sewers went 5 years ago they have built 25 new homes just in the lake alone. The development in that area is exploding and the popualtion is going thru the roof. The infastructure is sorely under rated for the amount of new houses that are being build and the NEW sewer system is already under rated for the houses being built so you should expect that the rates will climb. The Jefferson Twshp fire and police are severly under manned and in need of expansion. The township supervisors do not want to pay for any of it. Good luck up there but many long time residents that truely enjoyed the rural atomshpere of that are have moved out. The sewer systems were the absolute worst thing that could of happened to that area. You would also be better off going to Hamlin to shop for groceries because a trip over the mountain in the winter could be a nightmare. 247 down to the Marshwood road is a nightmare when the ice storms come and they will come. The view will be deminished as time goes by, by homes and homes and homes and homes and homes. Before the sewers you had to have land that could pass a perk test for septics, no pass no house. Alot of the ground in the entire area would not pass the tests so for decades the developement was limited if not at a stand still, but noooo they had to have the sewers. The landowners like Dick McGlauglin pushed and pushed the twnshp for sewers because their land was useless without them, well now they have them and you will see houses up and down both sides of 247 from Mt.Cobb Corners all the way to Moosic lakes. Down 348 all the way to 435. The only place that cannot be developed is the mountain above Moosic Lakes and the entire top of Moosic mountain thanks to my mother and group that managed to get it protected and a huge portion purchased by the Nature Conservancy. Everything else is up for graps. I wouldn't live in Jefferson Twnshp if my parents gave me the lake front house for free. Its only going to get worse. Good luck.

[cathyde]

Well, to be quite honest, where we are in Jefferson Heights there's nowhere to build around our house. We have a acre of land, so it's a nice size, and I don't mind neighbors that are close by. I was surprised though, to see so many new homes amidst "older" homes like ours. Do you know how the land here was parceled out? Just curious...

I have lived in NEPA my entire life, growing up in Nesquhoning, which is a drive uphill to anywhere! I learned to drive on those roads, so I feel comfortable getting around here (although I might get lost - thank goodness for my Garmin! )

But I just can't see why people are so hell-bent on building a house, when there are so very many already out there waiting for a good owner! I too, have seen the mountainsides of the areas I've lived diminish, to be replaced by house after house...it's a shame, IMHO!

I thank people (and families) like you who push to preserve our forests and, really, our beautiful landscape here in PA. I was lucky too growing up, when a friend of my parents fought to get hundreds of acres on the Broad Mountain (Carbon Co.) preserved for the hunters and horse enthusiasts to enjoy.

Thanks for your advice...I'm always looking for the safest way to get around, and I hope that I can be proud to call this area home.

Cathy

[mm_mary73]

Originally Posted by ScrantonWilkesBarre

Not necessarily. It's about to start snowing (errr..."slopping") again shortly. Somehow the air temperature will be 28 degrees for a HIGH tomorrow with "plain rain." How this isn't classified as "freezing rain" is beyond me though, as one would infer that liquid falling on a surface below freezing will freeze on contact, right?

LOL - you'd think so! I'll be there ~12/14-15, so it better not be actively precipitating (is that a word ) when I land. Later on - no problem!

[mm_mary73]

Originally Posted by weluvpa

My family had a house at Moosic Lakes just up from the JH developement that we just sold after 30 years. We sold that house and my mom and pop moved down into the city because the sewers went thru. In the 25 years that I lived there, they built 5 new homes, since the sewers went 5 years ago they have built 25 new homes just in the lake alone. The development in that area is exploding and the popualtion is going thru the roof. The infastructure is sorely under rated for the amount of new houses that are being build and the NEW sewer system is already under rated for the houses being built so you should expect that the rates will climb. The Jefferson Twshp fire and police are severly under manned and in need of expansion. The township supervisors do not want to pay for any of it. Good luck up there but many long time residents that truely enjoyed the rural atomshpere of that are have moved out. The sewer systems were the absolute worst thing that could of happened to that area. You would also be better off going to Hamlin to shop for groceries because a trip over the mountain in the winter could be a nightmare. 247 down to the Marshwood road is a nightmare when the ice storms come and they will come. The view will be deminished as time goes by, by homes and homes and homes and homes and homes. Before the sewers you had to have land that could pass a perk test for septics, no pass no house. Alot of the ground in the entire area would not pass the tests so for decades the developement was limited if not at a stand still, but noooo they had to have the sewers. The landowners like Dick McGlauglin pushed and pushed the twnshp for sewers because their land was useless without them, well now they have them and you will see houses up and down both sides of 247 from Mt.Cobb Corners all the way to Moosic lakes. Down 348 all the way to 435. The only place that cannot be developed is the mountain above Moosic Lakes and the entire top of Moosic mountain thanks to my mother and group that managed to get it protected and a huge portion purchased by the Nature Conservancy. Everything else is up for graps. I wouldn't live in Jefferson Twnshp if my parents gave me the lake front house for free. Its only going to get worse. Good luck.

Unfortunately, the sewers really aren't the problem - it's an improvement that benefits everyone. The developers and the county zoning board that approves the developments without any forethought other than how much money via taxes it will rake in are blame. Thank goodness for your mother and her group for saving what they could. This is happening here and it makes me heartsick. Welcome — Catawba Riverkeeper Foundation and look at the 2007 Drought photos, dated 10/7. wWould you believe people are STILL complaining that they can't water their #$&*@@ grass.

[weluvpa]

My mother was on the Jefferson Twnshp sewer authority for many years and she fought many of the original plans that would have laid a heavy financial burden on the residents. The hook up fees and annual costs were thru the roof. Finally the current plan was settled. Once the development started to explode the Supervisors were not ready for the increase needs in services for the residents. The engineers and developers had to have the sewers so they got them and now what? The local supervisors do not even know what to do to control the over developing area. These problems were very carefully explained before the sewers were ever put thru. The sewers were not originally going to go over the mountain they were actually for the business park that was started right off of 247 just below Moosic Lakes on the Dunmore side. That park was stopped by C.A.R.E, Sierra Club, Nature Conservancy and the residents of Moosic lakes. After the park was stopped they decided to proceed with the sewer plans and run them over to Jefferson twnshp. They do not benefit anyone but the developers, period. The septic systems when maintained are fine and where for decades. The current sewer is too small for the load that is being placed upon it and it will need to be updated and enlarged at a cost to the residents. The sewers are the single greatest downfall of the Jefferson twnshp area and will haunt the residents for decades to come. We sold our home after 30 years because of the sewers. They built houses across the street and 20 others in the lake. The houses along 247 between Jh and Moosic Lakes and everywhere else. Wait you'll love the quads and dirt bikes that run thru JH all summer long from the Cortez road side. Its changed and not for the good up there and I do not miss it at all, good luck your going to need it.