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Old 05-30-2014, 03:45 PM
 
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You do a good job of eating yourselves up with hate. Sorry. Warren has a point. Being asked for a "church reference" before buying a house? That should be illegal.

Spent the worst six months of my life there. I should have listened to the hate on this forum.

Maya Angelou said something about people who tell you how bad they are. Don't ignore it.

So glad I left.
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Old 05-30-2014, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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You know, I hope I never hate a place where I live so badly that I go on an internet bulletin board years after I move away and argue with strangers about it. Maybe it's a coping strategy to help people exorcise the demons.
It is just easier to blame the area than to take credit for ones own mistakes. Why would anybody buy simply because a real estate agent told you it was a great buy? These RE agents are in the business of selling and they only get their commission when the sale is complete - they have a vested interest in quick turnovers. I don't care what their credentials are or how charismatic they are; I would still trust my own research long before I trust theirs.

I used to drive sleeper team with a compulsive gambler. He did not tell his wife how much he lost and his wife, also a compulsive gambler, never told her husband how much she lost. Of course they lost their home. Gamblers will talk forever about their last winnings - but they totally forget their losses or they blame the casino, dealer or slot machine. I do not see too much difference with Warren Zee. It is just hard to admit that we (he) made a mistake. It would probably only take one bad Ohio neighbor for him to turn on that area.
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Old 05-30-2014, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
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It is just easier to blame the area than to take credit for ones own mistakes. Why would anybody buy simply because a real estate agent told you it was a great buy? These RE agents are in the business of selling and they only get their commission when the sale is complete - they have a vested interest in quick turnovers. I don't care what their credentials are or how charismatic they are; I would still trust my own research long before I trust theirs.

I used to drive sleeper team with a compulsive gambler. He did not tell his wife how much he lost and his wife, also a compulsive gambler, never told her husband how much she lost. Of course they lost their home. Gamblers will talk forever about their last winnings - but they totally forget their losses or they blame the casino, dealer or slot machine. I do not see too much difference with Warren Zee. It is just hard to admit that we (he) made a mistake. It would probably only take one bad Ohio neighbor for him to turn on that area.
Poor choices are just that, I was driven to a house by my realtor. It was a woman and when we got to the street where the house was I immediately called her and told her not to get out of the car. There were a bunch of shady looking people hanging out on their porches looking at us and the street itself just looked bad. I have a pretty good sixth sense and I chuckled to myself as we drove away because I knew this street was a complete ghetto just by the look. I felt proud to have protected her from even getting out of the car.

When we stopped at the next house I told her very directly, "OK, None in the ghetto and None near the river". I had already told her this but she needed to be reminded after this. In her defense I don't think she really knew the street was going to be bad.

You just have to do your homework and use street smarts when you are out there. Something seems to have been lacking with the choices they made coming here.
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Old 05-30-2014, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Poor choices are just that, I was driven to a house by my realtor. It was a woman and when we got to the street where the house was I immediately called her and told her not to get out of the car. There were a bunch of shady looking people hanging out on their porches looking at us and the street itself just looked bad. I have a pretty good sixth sense and I chuckled to myself as we drove away because I knew this street was a complete ghetto just by the look. I felt proud to have protected her from even getting out of the car.

When we stopped at the next house I told her very directly, "OK, None in the ghetto and None near the river". I had already told her this but she needed to be reminded after this. In her defense I don't think she really knew the street was going to be bad.

You just have to do your homework and use street smarts when you are out there. Something seems to have been lacking with the choices they made coming here.
Most of us do not read Ohio local news waiting to see the next violent/criminal act - just so we can say: We told you so. Most of us do not waste our time on threads that are not in our area. Most of us do not try to convince people, that have no problems with the area they live, to hate their area.

If you hate an area so much; why look back and relive your past or past mistakes?

Both Warren and Sheena made many post on our local forum about how wonderful this area was - before their confrontation with the neighbors. Then, when they did have their problems, many of us spent many hours trying to help them find solutions and giving them advice. Now we are hearing that we are just bigoted/narrow minded (crazy) people! No good deed goes unpunished. It really makes you want to reach out to help the next person!

PS Here is the City Data link to the thread about their confrontation: My husband was assaulted last night. Many of us were reaching out and trying to help.

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Old 05-30-2014, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
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Yeah, I'm not sure why Warren has decided to become the exact type of poster he used to rail against. He needs to just move on and heal, if they are happy in Ohio, good for them. I am still happy here 9 years in July but I chose carefully and knew what to avoid. Yes, there are blocks not too far from me that are ghetto but I had the same thing when I lived in Belmar, NJ near the beach. All you had to do was go a few miles North into Neptune and Asbury Park and you were looking over your shoulder. It's all about knowing your surroundings and treading carefully, something they obviously didn't do.
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Old 05-30-2014, 08:11 PM
 
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You know, I hope I never hate a place where I live so badly that I go on an internet bulletin board years after I move away and argue with strangers about it. Maybe it's a coping strategy to help people exorcise the demons.
Nailed it.
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Old 05-31-2014, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Hanover , Virginia
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I don't think everyone in NEPA is bigoted and hateful, but the people in NEPA are, on average, pretty insular. I had people questioning what I was doing in Dickson City even after I told them I was originally from Tunkhannock. Many people here do exactly what Warren said: grow up here within a couple miles of their parents' childhood homes, go to a local college, then but their childhood home from their parents (or just move back in with them indefinitely).

The isolation and lack of a big city that gets a ton of transplants allows the insular views to carry on through generations. I think you're all trying to paint him as this horribly one-sided ******* despite the fact that he just said there were good things about it. I'd rather people like him who are from outside who moved in tell their experiences than people who think driving from Scranton to Wilkes Barre constitutes a vacation.
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Old 05-31-2014, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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I don't think everyone in NEPA is bigoted and hateful, but the people in NEPA are, on average, pretty insular. I had people questioning what I was doing in Dickson City even after I told them I was originally from Tunkhannock. Many people here do exactly what Warren said: grow up here within a couple miles of their parents' childhood homes, go to a local college, then but their childhood home from their parents (or just move back in with them indefinitely).

The isolation and lack of a big city that gets a ton of transplants allows the insular views to carry on through generations. I think you're all trying to paint him as this horribly one-sided ******* despite the fact that he just said there were good things about it. I'd rather people like him who are from outside who moved in tell their experiences than people who think driving from Scranton to Wilkes Barre constitutes a vacation.
What constitutes 'insular'? As a truck driver I have had people give me the finger in Tennessee, Ohio, North Carolina and many other places. I have had a whole school bus moon me in Miami. There is nothing like driving a rig governed at 58 to 62 mph - you make a lot of friends! I don't recall anybody giving me the bird in NEPA - but I am sure that there is one out there. I do recall being spit at in Times Square - I thought that was pretty insular.

What is wrong with not traveling? Some people never get that opportunity. They get locked into the cards they are dealt - does that make them less human? According to the latest statistics our area is not alone with kids moving back home: Brace yourself, Mom: Millennials move back home - CNN.com.

My problem with Warren and Sheena is that they supposedly loved this area until their bad experience. Now they are condemning all of us even though it was only the one house that gave them trouble. How many different people insulted you by asking you what you were doing in Dickson City? You sound pretty quick to judge us all by one or two bad experiences.

I just think that, the kind of behavior you are describing, can be characteristic of any place you live. Don't be so quick to brand people with our own (possibly skewed) perceptions.
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Old 05-31-2014, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Hanover , Virginia
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I don't mean anything about getting flipped off... I mean insular in the sense that most people never leave the area for any reason, keeping the same views as the generations that came before them with no interest in seeing the world from other people's point of view.

If you are looked at oddly because you're from a town 20 miles away, how do you think people feel who are from somewhere 200 or 2000 miles away? It has nothing to do with flipping people off or spitting on them. It's the attitude of 'us' vs 'them' that's divisive and extremely unwelcoming of anyone who is not from the same area (or in extreme cases, the same town).
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Old 05-31-2014, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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It's the attitude of 'us' vs 'them' that's divisive and extremely unwelcoming of anyone who is not from the same area (or in extreme cases, the same town).

Drive into the wrong neighborhood in any large city/town and you can have that same feeling. You can even drive onto one of our Indian Reservations and get the same greeting or worse.

Now, going back to your case, was that one time, one person, or frequently? Do your friends in the area outnumber those that question whether you belong? do you only see the negative and not the positive? All of those stores, off Route 6 in Dickson City, would not have too many customers if that attitude was prevalent.

I have nine different neighbors because we own five acres. I get along with all except one. That one is from NJ and ignored me when I tried to introduce myself, while they were moving in, many years ago. He also believes that, since I have so much land, I should share it with him and his family (while ignoring me at the same time). That particular border has a fence up - good fences make good (out of bad) neighbors.

I don't bad mouth or suspect that all people in NJ are just as rude and inconsiderate because of one bad experience. I had worked in NJ many years ago and liked everybody I worked with.
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