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Old 10-08-2014, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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The conclusions I drew while investigating other people's finances and property were of such quality that, every month I worked in the business I made Merrill Lynch's upper ten percentile for report accuracy in North America. Let's face it! I could be wrong. After all, everybody's just guessing - Including the people who are conducting the manhunt. You don't know for certain that Frein was driving with his lights off. Neither do I; but I do know that he'd have been a fool if he were to attempt something that stupid on the dark and winding roads around Blooming Grove.
As far as I know; he wasn't on a road in Blooming Grove - or not on a paved road at the time he went into the holding pond. Once that Jeep was stuck in the pond; no other evidence was needed. The shell casings and his wallet or driver's license could have slid off the seat when he got stuck. Our Vietnam veteran thought that it looked like he got stuck by accident. Don't forget, that in the military, only the lead vehicle in the convoy uses headlights - the others have simply marker lights. Eric could have chosen the night based on the last full moon.

I did grow up in Canadensis. I also shot on the same rifle team (although years before Eric). My favorite hunt was grouse and I am very familiar with some of the worst territory in the search area. I can understand how he could avoid some of our police. I am still interested how he avoided the dogs and high tech?

Regardless, of whether your right or I'm right; I hope we get answers and soon.

PS According to this MSN article: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/...ing/ar-BB8bl4K; Frein, himself, described his getaway as a disaster.

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Old 10-09-2014, 04:52 AM
 
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So, this guy (Who is supposed to have planned his attack for, at least, two years.) drives to the Blooming Grove barracks, finds a place to park, establishes a hide close to the barrack's front door, and waits for whatever targets of opportunity might come his way?

Then, when he gets an opportunity to begin his nefarious plan, he starts shooting and withdraws in less than 60 seconds? Either Eric Frein is madder than a, 'March Hare'; or somebody's still blowing, 'smoke'. Now I'm to believe that he chronicled his murderous behavior; and he did it in his own hand? Why? What purpose does a written journal serve?

If I were to sit down and write a movie script for all the events I'm reading about, that script simply wouldn't be believable! A, 'military survival expert' who is dumb enough to hold to a small, single, intensely searched area - Come on! That's not the behavior of a military expert; it's the behavior of a madman.

Moreover, this guy continues, 'to ghost' away from his pursuers? Searchers get within 200 yards of him; and he, somehow, manages to still get away! What's he using - Vietcong style, 'spider holes'?

Is the PSP actually chasing a, 'military specialist and gamesman' who, somehow, never studied military LRRP tactics; but, regardless, the guy continues to smoothly slip away? What's that tell you about the man hunters, themselves!

How am I to believe that hundreds of men manage to close to within 200 yards of their quarry; and, still, that quarry manages to escape! I suppose Frein might have, 'the remarkable luck of the devil'; but, no military man I've ever known (except, perhaps, one truly extraordinary individual) could do what Eric Frein is doing, continue to make serious tactical errors, and continue to cleanly get away.

Neither do I believe Frein to be, 'an expert marksman'. I've known many expert marksmen; and Eric ain't one of them. I have enough social concern NOT to publish what a true expert marksman and trained LRRP specialist would have already done to his pursuers; and Frein hasn't, yet, begun to behave this way.

Only a naÔve, inept, or completely insane reclusive would hold to the ground Eric Frein is reported to be hiding in. No military expert I've ever known (or studied) would have attempted a foolish thing like that. Is the public, now, to believe that Eric is hell-bent determined to commit some odd form of convoluted suicide? All I've learned so far is that nothing I'm hearing is genuinely believable. Everything has to be analyzed, and reexamined again.

Neither the motives and behavior of the quarry, himself, nor that of his pursuers, is beyond question: e.g., 'Why' doesn't Frein simply take someone's vehicle and drive out of the area because that is exactly what everybody else is doing!

I'm listening to Frein's supposed written confession as I type this. Who's Eric writing too? Why even bother to keep a journal at all? This is the (rational) behavior of a clever, wily, and highly evasive man? Come on! Why doesn't anyone seem to realize that, 'Vucko' could very easily escape from the area he's supposed to be tightly confined to and (extraordinarily) hiding in?

Frein's not a military expert. It's more likely that he's little more than a reclusive - and, quite possibly, genuinely insane - backwoods hermit. So far Frein has done nothing to indicate to me that he's an expert marksman. The only evidence which might be present is that Eric Frein isn't expert at anything other than simply being covert, reclusive, and severely socially maladjusted: i.e., Other than his mother there don't appear to be any women in his life. What! Latvians don't like girls?

(Which, of course, means that if even half of what the pubic is presently being told turns out to be correct, then: You, me, and everybody else is going to have to, 'foot the bill' for Eric Frein's daily care, keeping, and medical and dental expenses for the remainder of his bizarre, outlandish, and completely insane natural life.)

I'm not ready to buy into the Eric Frein myth, yet. If he really is in there, somewhere around Snow Hill, (An area I've known well for many years.) then he's much more of a fool than an expert at anything. The Pennsylvania State Police appear to be chasing nothing more than a homicidal and reclusive madman through the woods - A HIGHLY ELUSIVE AND VERY LUCKY MADMAN!

It isn't necessary for Frein to, quite literally, have to live like an animal in order to escape from the PSP. If I believe all the publicity then Freinís lifestyle is a very deliberate choice that he is VOLUNTARILY making.

Who knows? Pennsylvania taxpayers might still get lucky. When (and where) Frein finally is cornered I'm reasonably certain that he will fight; but, Eric's reported attempt to continue to hold onto a (relatively) small patch of ground in Monroe County is just plain, 'nutz'.

If I accept what's being reported this morning, then, there's a lunatic hiding in the woods just down the road from where I live; and any madman who could make it from Blooming Grove to Price Township in less than 7 hours, and in the dark could appear on this farm within no more than a couple of hours.

This whole event really is one for the crime analysts to mull over and ponder. Everyday the news reports continue to become more and more surrealistic.
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Old 10-09-2014, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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If I accept what's being reported this morning, then, there's a lunatic hiding in the woods just down the road from where I live; and any madman who could make it from Blooming Grove to Price Township in less than 7 hours, and in the dark could appear on this farm within no more than a couple of hours.
I don't think I ever read that Eric made it from Blooming Grove to Price Township in 7 hours. I thought that I did read that Eric had tried, or called, home from close to my hunting camp up by Skytop. That was days after the shooting. I have never read anything about Eric being super-human. He has made several major mistakes. These mistakes cost him the life that he envisioned after this shooting. His life before he shot at the State Police was a game. I think that he planned on playing another game and walking back to the life he knew. The fact that he even came back to the area he knew means that he has still not accepted his new reality. He could at some time and head off in new directions.

Our State Police do not want another Trooper dead. That is the big advantage that Eric now has. Eric does not have anything else left to loose except his life. Our Troopers want to go home to their families and loved ones. Our Troopers are loaded down with everything from armor to survival kits - they are not too quick on their feet. They also do not want to walk into an ambush. That is why it is not to inconceivable to me that they did not catch him after being so close.

Eric lost many of his supplies. 99 rounds could have been a long gun fight. If he is down to one magazine; he has to be very careful what he fires at. Not only that; but the survival thing has to be taking a toll on him. He is probably covered with ticks - just like our deer. He has had many mosquito bites - probably he is wondering about west Nile. He has probably been drinking out of our streams and could have picked up a parasite. Our nights are getting colder and he is getting dirtier and more uncomfortable - our police found many of his supplies.

Here is another news article from WNEP: http://wnep.com/2014/10/08/freins-handwritten-journal-on-attack-revealed/. You can also click on the search warrants in the middle of that article. It is possible that Eric thought he might have even had a chance to get to some of his parent's weapons?

What is interesting is that Eric did not own anything that we have heard about. It was his parent's weapons and vehicle + he lived at their house. I have to wonder what kind of money he ever made from the jobs/consultations? I am curious if he ever worked an 8 hour day?
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Old 10-09-2014, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Williamsport PA
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He has probably been drinking out of our streams and could have picked up a parasite.
You can buy water filters. There are a variety of water treatment systems for backpackers and campers. Personally I would not drink filtered water from our streams because it could contain fracking chemicals.

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Old 10-09-2014, 08:06 AM
 
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I'm relying upon the fact that the State Police were already flooding into the area, looking for Frein, in and around Price Township the very next morning after the shooting! THAT is a really fast police response for a fugitive who might have been anywhere at the time.

Nobody knows how much ammo or exactly what weapons Eric presently has in his possession? He got jumped from close enough to have to abandon his backpack, ammo, and bombs; but, still, he was able to cleanly get away? Amazing! Absolutely amazing!

If I were to believe all the popular reports, Eric Frein has to be some sort of incredible idiot-savant! As I said previously: All of this imagined suffering - his primitive living like an animal - is entirely self-inflicted. Frein doesn't have to proceed like this unless he wants to.

HE'S NOT TRAPPED! HE HAS SEVERAL VIABLE ESCAPE CHOICES FROM WHICH TO CHOOSE!

In all of this back and forth guessing we're, all, doing one thing is obvious: Eric Frein could easily change his presumed evasion game plan and escape from the dragnet at anytime he wants to. Personally, I have to believe that, if Frein really is in Snow Hill, then he could easily escape from Price Township; and, he could do it as straightforwardly as simply turning an ignition key!

Another thing: Apparently Eric had, at least, one other place to live besides his parent's house. If Frein gets caught soon, if he gets caught in or around Snow Hill, then he has nobody to blame but himself and, maybe, whoever taught him how to play dumbass, pseudo-military, paintball games. According to everything that's been published so far, a military specialist, or even a competent soldier, he ain't!

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Old 10-09-2014, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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You can buy water filters. There are a variety of water treatment systems for backpackers and campers. Personally I would not drink filtered water from our streams because it could contain fracking chemicals.
The police have many of his supplies. He can't exactly buy more right now. There are no fracking chemicals in any of the water in the search area - there is no fracking here in Monroe County. There is chance of giardiasis. However one can avoid most of the parasites by drinking water from close to the source of the feeder springs.
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Old 10-09-2014, 09:09 AM
 
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Look,,The police and the media is hyping him up to be a cross between the Terminator.James Bond and Seal Team Six gone bad...Now I'm not saying he's Clem Kadiddlehopper but.....lets get a little real....
The police chiefs and the politicians are doing the big talk while the police searchers are staying bunched up,moving slow hopefull they don't catch a bullet....and rightly so....
If further killing was on his mind,it would of been so. Image is more important than justice and that is being demonstrated. What is at risk is the selling of Big Government and the blending of law enforcement with all it's agencies as being the answer to terrorist type attacks..Politically this is a hand granade with the pin pulled. That is shown by the police and political comments/statements. All this skill hype is just a cushion if he go's up into the wind...but I do hope he breaks his own neck.
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Old 10-09-2014, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Look,,The police and the media is hyping him up to be a cross between the Terminator.James Bond and Seal Team Six gone bad...Now I'm not saying he's Clem Kadiddlehopper but.....lets get a little real....
The police chiefs and the politicians are doing the big talk while the police searchers are staying bunched up,moving slow hopefull they don't catch a bullet....and rightly so....
If further killing was on his mind,it would of been so. Image is more important than justice and that is being demonstrated. What is at risk is the selling of Big Government and the blending of law enforcement with all it's agencies as being the answer to terrorist type attacks..Politically this is a hand granade with the pin pulled. That is shown by the police and political comments/statements. All this skill hype is just a cushion if he go's up into the wind...but I do hope he breaks his own neck.
Some of the hype could have been to force Eric to the surface - presuming that he was listening. That dirty diaper thing could have been a ploy? Calling Eric a coward could also have been a ploy? We have to read in-between the lines and think of what action our police really desire. Sometimes it is not for the perpetrator; but to help get the public on their side. How many times have you seen "several" pipe bombs in print - but they ever only show two. They originally told us that Eric launched this war against all police. In the days after the first attack; he had many opportunities and never fired another round. It could have been his fear of being caught or killed or it could have been because he actually had reasons that he chose the Blooming Grove barracks? Hopefully we will have more answers if he is ever apprehended.
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Old 10-09-2014, 02:08 PM
 
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You know, I think I'm going to get out of this thread; or, at least, for awhile and until something cataclysmic finally occurs.

One final thought has occurred to me: If Eric Frein did NOT navigate seven, or so, miles through the deep woods, high swamps, and in the dark in order to return to the vicinity around his parent's home, then, what did he do?

If I'm to believe everything the PSP and the news media are saying then Frein completed this journey at some later time - A time when he would have had to,

VOLUNTARILY WALK STRAIGHT INTO, 'THE EYE OF THE STORM'.

What is more, because he didn't get caught while he was doing this, FREIN WOULD HAVE HAD TO BE AWARE that he was (intimately) placing himself in harm's way while he dodged: police helicopters, vehicles, and personnel.

All of which makes me wonder: What sort of bassackwards, 'Plan B' might Eric Frein have had in mind? Perhaps Frein is a student of military tactics, after all; and, by returning to Price Township, what he was actually doing is taking Napoleonic General E.M. Gerard's profound advice to,

'March to the sound of the guns!'

OK, take it; run with it; and, for the time being, I'm out 'a here.
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Old 10-09-2014, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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OK, take it; run with it; and, for the time being, I'm out 'a here.
Your reading stuff into this. All we are doing is speculating. If any of us had all the answers Eric would no longer be on the run. But we don't. Why are you getting angry? We are all drawing our own experiences and hoping that we can help. I know that it is frustrating for both the residents and our police.

If Eric is still hiding in our woods; everyday that goes by will make it easier for our police to spot him. Our leaves are starting to fall; his natural 'camouflage' is disappearing. Without supplies; he is miserable. My feeling is that the clock is ticking.
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