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Old 07-22-2018, 01:29 PM
 
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Hello, I’m sure this has been spoken about many times on the forum. I’ve read a few posts on it but my situation and reasoning might be different. I’m currently looking to move to East Stroudsburg PA area from Ueens NY where I was born and raised. I work in NY with job sites changing from time to time. I’m a construction worker, 36yrs old not married and no kids. The commute is definitely the thought keeping me back, but it might be beneficial financially. I do plan on buying the house cash right out, and with taxes being between $4,500-$7,500 yearly. My cost of living will drop and I won’t have to work the OT for extra money. Hoping that I can work less and enjoy my life, plus I am getting tired of the NY area and city living and I have always loved the outdoors and outdoor activity. Who has made the change from NY to PA and still works in NY and has been doing the commute 5 days a week? What’s your opinion, how was the change/switch for you?

Note: I have occasionally worked 10-30min drive from home. But most work is in NYC Manhattan area witch is a small drive to MYA subway and ride on subway into nyc. Which can range from 40-60min in the AM and 50-80min in the PM returning home.
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Old 07-22-2018, 01:34 PM
 
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I would never commute every day . Just the drive on weekends to our home near Hawley wore thin
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Old 07-22-2018, 01:36 PM
 
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Many links about commute. See below.


Thinking of relocating to Stroudsburg from Long Island.
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Old 07-22-2018, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Pure Michigan!
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We just visited NYC for the first time a few months ago and drove home that way, passed right through Stroudsburg. I couldn't actually believe it when someone told me that there are people who do that commute everyday. I could never spend that many hours a day in my car, life is far too short for that.

I know you asked to hear from people who actually do this commute, I will be curious to see what they say as well.
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Old 07-22-2018, 05:00 PM
 
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We just visited NYC for the first time a few months ago and drove home that way, passed right through Stroudsburg. I couldn't actually believe it when someone told me that there are people who do that commute everyday. I could never spend that many hours a day in my car, life is far too short for that.

I know you asked to hear from people who actually do this commute, I will be curious to see what they say as well.
My wife worked in Stroudsburg. We lived about 35-40 minutes of west of town, on the very western edge of Monroe county. I spent two decades watching a steady stream of cars pass our house on their way to a Martz bus lot, or to start their individual or car-pool commute, at 5 AM every work day. The same folks would get back home between seven and eight PM. Pretty crappy existence, IMHO, but a ritual practiced by tens of thousands of Pocono residents who have full time employment in the great NYC area.
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Old 07-22-2018, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Pure Michigan!
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My wife worked in Stroudsburg. We lived about 35-40 minutes of west of town, on the very western edge of Monroe county. I spent two decades watching a steady stream of cars pass our house on their way to a Martz bus lot, or to start their individual or car-pool commute, at 5 AM every work day. The same folks would get back home between seven and eight PM. Pretty crappy existence, IMHO, but a ritual practiced by tens of thousands of Pocono residents who have full time employment in the great NYC area.
That leaves time for nothing but working, commuting, and sleeping. No, thanks!
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Old 07-23-2018, 01:09 PM
 
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Hello, I’m sure this has been spoken about many times on the forum. I’ve read a few posts on it but my situation and reasoning might be different. I’m currently looking to move to East Stroudsburg PA area from Ueens NY where I was born and raised. I work in NY with job sites changing from time to time. I’m a construction worker, 36yrs old not married and no kids. The commute is definitely the thought keeping me back, but it might be beneficial financially. I do plan on buying the house cash right out, and with taxes being between $4,500-$7,500 yearly. My cost of living will drop and I won’t have to work the OT for extra money. Hoping that I can work less and enjoy my life, plus I am getting tired of the NY area and city living and I have always loved the outdoors and outdoor activity. Who has made the change from NY to PA and still works in NY and has been doing the commute 5 days a week? What’s your opinion, how was the change/switch for you?

Note: I have occasionally worked 10-30min drive from home. But most work is in NYC Manhattan area witch is a small drive to MYA subway and ride on subway into nyc. Which can range from 40-60min in the AM and 50-80min in the PM returning home.

I don't commute every day anymore, but when I first moved out to the Poconos I did. I've settled into a routine of driving in 2-3x a week and spending a night or two at my parents and telecommute most Fridays.


My house to the Bronx= 125 miles. Not *that* bad in the AM as I leave before the rush in NJ starts. Two hours and some change is the norm if the GWB isn't backed up. For example, today I woke up at 3:35am, out the door a little after 4 and pulled up to my job at 6:15am with a fast stop in NJ. I'm tired and will be spending the night at my parents today rather than have to drive home, get about 5 hours of sleep and repeat the process.



Coming home is a whole other story. A good day, door to door, is 3.5 hours. Most days is easily 4 plus. I've taken the Martz bus and once I get down to Manhattan, wait for a bus and sit on said bus in traffic, it's actually faster (and cheaper) for me to drive. I once worked the Friday before Memorial Day. I left work at 1:30pm and walked in my house close to 9pm. Never gain. NEVER!



Regarding your expenses- you will not save as much as you anticipate, if you save anything at all. Any mortgage/rent savings will be quickly eaten up by car insurance, car payments, gas, tolls, maintenance, etc. You absolutely must have a car. I'm amazed by those who don't out here, they're far and few in between actually. The families I know every single person of legal age has a car to get where they need to go.


The little public transportation available in the Poconos is in no way comparable to NYC transit. The commuter bus will cost you about $600 a month. Factor in food costs are basically equal- no savings there. If your home/rental is electric heat- no savings there. (significant increase during the winter months over NYC costs), cable/phone/internet runs roughly about the same as the NYC providers.

My advice-- don't move out this way unless you're willing to make a soul sucking commute every.single.day or take a significant pay cut in order to work closer to home.


ETA: If you're a single and looking to date you will not have time to do so.

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Old 07-23-2018, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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I was single when I bought my house in the East Stroudsburg zip code but my commute was only 45 minutes. 2 years later I was married with a baby on the way. Life has a way of changing your plans. I could have gotten a cheaper house with a longer commute further into PA but I'm very glad I didn't.
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Old 07-23-2018, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
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It's murder in the first degree, I travel out that way as I have family and some business contacts in the Morristown area. Just getting that far is bad. On a few occasions I had to make it to someone near route 78 Randolph area and I nearly tore my eyes out in the traffic. I think North Jersey traffic is possibly worse than New York, just crazy nasty congestion every where. It is part of the reason I love NEPA, it is so much less congested and quieter. I also know that Stroudsburg is still way too close to the metropolis to feel much of a difference. You will still still feel like you haven't left, you need to go at least as far as Route 115 before you will start to feel a marked change in urban sprawl. Just my two cents, the are other opinions that may be more to your liking.

If you were to decide to do it that is one lonely traffic jam of a commute down 80 to Stroudsburg and there is no way around it. Trust me I've tried every conceivable roadway connection you could think of around there and it all sucks. Plan 2 hours each way, it will burn you out. I burned out on a 35 mile commute each way just to Dickson City from Wilkes Barre in a little over a year. I couldn't imagine trying to go from Stroudsburg to New York every day, just murder...
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Old 07-23-2018, 08:17 PM
 
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I do this commute into Manhattan five days a week. There are several construction workers who do this; I see them on the bus every day. I've been doing it since 2011; some of them are at the 20-year mark.

There is no way I would ever drive it. I used to drive from here to Hackensack, then to the Central NJ area, then to the Lehigh Valley. All about 90 minutes each way. Those commutes took years off my life.

Now I take the bus. No driving stress at all. If you commit to this kind of commute, taking a bus is exponentially better. It's a no-brainer. I cannot stress this enough.

Basics: With few exceptions, you're stuck with Martz here in the Poconos. It is not cheap. A monthly commuter ticket is about $560; more if you buy by the week. Monthly parking permit is $30.

Add whatever it costs in gas for you to drive to the bus terminal in PA, plus whatever it costs you to get to your job site in NYC.

There is an economy option that runs from the Marshalls Creek park and ride that is ~$100 a week (no parking cost). Its schedule, however, is truncated to only early morning into NYC and midafternoon out of NYC, with no other options - and if you wanted to take a Martz bus at any other time, your economy ticket would not be accepted and you'd have to buy a full-fare ticket.

The full Martz line has dozens of scheduled runs each day, which is why Martz holds the monopoly. Some commuters have jumped ship for a van here and there, or the white bus (?) - a no-name run with very few scheduled runs, but much cheaper. I cannot speak to those options.

Pros: Not many.
1.There is WiFi, but it's horrible.
2. There are some buses with comfortable, reclining seats, but there's a newer model that Martz spent a lot of money upgrading to, and its seats barely recline and are massively uncomfortable.
3. There is no faster way into the city at rush hour, because the bus can use the XBL, the extra bus lane, which is open between 6-10 am and bypasses all of the bottled up traffic trying to get into the Lincoln Tunnel. That said, there's no XBL at the junction of I-80 and I-287 at around MM42-47 in NJ, and that is also awful at rush hour.
4. If you can work off-peak, second shift or night hours, the bus can't be beat and it's FAST. I work second shift so I take a 12:30 or 2:20 pm bus in, and a 10, 11 or 12:30 am bus out. The ride itself is only about an hour and 20 minutes at those times.

Cons:
1. Expense
2. You're at the mercy of Martz, whose service has gotten worse over the years. Late and canceled buses are no longer an infrequent occurrence. A major contributor to the service decline is the addition of a waterparks (Kalahari) stop to the Martz schedule, with no extra buses dedicated to those tourists.
3. Time. No matter what, you are looking at 2 hours each way, at a bare minimum. That's if you live very close to the bus terminal and work very close to the Port Authority. You have to factor in waiting for the bus at both ends of your day. Add snow or ice, add a subway ride etc, and you're at 5 hours, often longer. If you miss the 12:30 am bus, you are stuck at the Port until 8. No other bus.

The only way it is even barely possible to say it's worth it is if you're doing it for a family that gets to stay in PA and enjoy whatever it is that brought you here.

To do this as a single person? You'd be crazy. Really crazy.
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