Pa stuck in the stone ages..

[FightinPhils]

Originally Posted by Bjm

why in the world should i have to have a brand new vehicle inspected?.

You shouldn't.....if you buy a brand-new vehicle, it should already have a current inspection sticker before you buy it.

[61scout80]

Originally Posted by blip

i'm surprised you think so.

most of us from nyc have a very different view of guns. maybe because if everyone there were simultaneously armed, there would be about 8 million deaths in a few minutes.

all this talk of packin' in/around scranton is really odd to me. though crime rates have increased in the last few years, they're still way lower than other places i've lived, and everyone i know elsewhere made out no worse for not carrying weapons. (fingers crossed.)

other places came out no worse for not carrying a weapon? like chicago where there is a ban on hand guns?

In the summer 2008 Chicago, where hand guns are not allowed, had 2 times the number of citizens die from gunshots then sodiers in iraq died in the same time frame, where EVERYONE has a FULLY AUTOMATIC weapon. This means it is safer to be in a war zone than in chicago.

A lack of and misunderstanding of weapons is a dangerous situation. If I were closer I'd spend an afternoon at the range with you to show you how safe a weapon is.


cbs2chicago.com - 125 Shot Dead In Chicago Over Summer

125 Shot Dead In Chicago Over Summer

Total Is About Double The U.S. Troop Death Toll In Iraq

CHICAGO (CBS) ― An estimated 125 people were shot and killed over the summer. That's nearly double the number of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq over the same time period.

In May, cbs2chicago.com began tracking city shootings and posting them on Google maps. Information compiled from our reporters, wire service reports and the Chicago Police Major Incidents log indicated that 125 people were shot and killed throughout the city between the start of Memorial Day weekend on May 26, and the end of Labor Day on Sept. 1.

According to the Defense Department, 65 U.S. soldiers were killed in combat in Iraq. About the same number were killed in Afghanistan over that same period.

In the same time period, an estimated 247 people were shot and wounded in the city.


Tracking Summer Shootings In Chicago





Police department spokeswoman Monique Bond disputed the numbers, saying in an e-mail that sometimes shootings are re-classified as accidental. She said the CBS 2 analysis did not match official department statistics, but she did not provide details. CBS 2 has asked for that information.

"The department officially releases crime statistics on a monthly basis to ensure the proper investigations are thoroughly conducted to determine manner and motive which also may result in reclassifications, '' Bond said.

Violent crime reports available on the department's website do not break down shootings by month. However, the latest report shows that the murder in the city is up 18 percent from last year. From January-July, the department reports 291 people were murdered, compared with 246 for the same period in 2007.

Bond said gang-related violence presents the most serious danger to Chicago residents.

"Gang and gun violence continue to be the dominating threat on our streets," Bond said in an e-mail. "Up to 60 percent of the shootings are gang related. More than 90 percent of the offenders have criminal histories and up to 80 percent of the victims have criminal histories."

For total shootings, the South Side's Englewood District, which includes the Englewood and West Englewood neighborhoods on the city's South Side, fared the worst over the summer. A total of 11 people were shot dead there, and 46 were shot and wounded.

The highest homicide totals came in the Grand Crossing District, which includes the South Shore, Woodlawn, Park Manor and Grand Crossing neighborhoods on the South Side, 13 people were killed and 24 were injured.

Also hit severely by gun violence over the summer was the Harrison District on the city's West Side, where 11 people were shot dead and 25 were shot and wounded. In the Southwest Side's Chicago Lawn District, 12 people were shot and killed and 15 were shot and wounded. In the Ogden District – which includes the Near Southwest Side's Lawndale and Little Village neighborhoods – nine people were killed and eight were injured.

The South Chicago District on the Southeast Side saw nine people killed and 18 injured, almost all concentrated in the South Chicago and Avalon Park neighborhoods at the north end of the district.

The Far South Side's Calumet District – including the Roseland, Fernwood and Pullman neighborhoods – saw nine killed and 23 injured.



Breakdown of summer shootings by police district:
• District 1 – Central (Loop, West Loop, Near South Side): 1 dead, 4 injured
• District 2 – Wentworth (Washington Park, Bronzeville, Fuller Park): 2 dead, 10 injured
• District 3 – Grand Crossing (South Shore, Woodlawn, Park Manor, Grand Crossing) 13 dead, 24 injured
• District 4 – South Chicago (Far Southeast Side to Indiana state line): 9 dead, 18 injured
• District 5 – Calumet (Roseland, Fernwood, West Pullman): 9 dead, 23 injured
• District 6 – Gresham (Auburn-Gresham, Chatham): 5 dead, 19 injured
• District 7 – Englewood (Englewood, West Englewood: 11 dead, 46 injured
• District 8 – Chicago Lawn (most of the Southwest Side): 12 dead, 15 injured
• District 9 – Deering (Back of the Yards, Bridgeport, Canaryville, Brighton Park): 4 dead, 15 injured
• District 10 – Ogden (Little Village, much of North Lawndale): 9 dead, 8 injured
• District 11 – Harrison (Garfield Park, parts of North Lawndale): 11 dead, 25 injured
• District 12 – Monroe (Near West Side): 1 dead, 2 injured
• District 13 – Wood (West Town, Ukrainian Village, parts of Humboldt Park): 3 dead, 1 injured
• District 14 – Shakespeare (Wicker Park, Bucktown, Logan Square, parts of Humboldt Park): 6 dead, 1 injured
• District 15 – Austin (North and South Austin): 6 dead, 8 injured
• District 16 – Jefferson Park (Far Northwest Side from Portage Park to O'Hare International Airport): 0 dead, 0 injured
• District 17 – Albany Park (Albany Park, Irving Park, Avondale): 2 dead, 0 injured
• District 18 – Near North (Lincoln Park, Gold Coast Magnificent Mile, Near North Side): 1 dead, 5 injured
• District 19 – Belmont (Lakeview, Roscoe Village, Lincoln Square, North Center): 1 dead, 1 injured
• District 20 – Lincoln (Edgewater, Andersonville, Rosehill Cemetery, Budlong Woods): 0 dead, 1 injured
• District 21 – Prairie (Hyde Park, Kenwood Oakland-Douglas, Lake Meadows, Chinatown): 2 dead, 2 injured
• District 22 – Morgan Park (Beverly, Morgan Park, Mt. Greenwood): 5 dead, 4 injured
• District 23 – Town Hall (East Lakeview, Uptown): 1 dead, 4 injured
• District 24 – Rogers Park (East and West Rogers Park): 2 dead, 2 injured
• District 25 – Grand Central (Belmont-Cragin, Kelvyn Park, Hermosa, Galewood): 8 dead, 10 injured

[Summering]

How'd we get the death toll in Iraq and Chicago in the PA threads?........
I was reading wondering why I didn't know the towns names.......

[61scout80]

Originally Posted by Summering

How'd we get the death toll in Iraq and Chicago in the PA threads?........
I was reading wondering why I didn't know the towns names.......

I can derail any thread!

Just want to post how dangerous a ban on handguns could be. I took Blip's post as saying the fact that people carry guns is a bad thing, so posted some information on an area where it is illeagal to carry a weapon

[blip]

Not violating TOS, I don't think, but in the spirit of not being moderated...

Originally Posted by 61scout80

This means it is safer to be in a war zone than in chicago.

Points, I guess, for creative interpretation.

Originally Posted by 61scout80

A lack of and misunderstanding of weapons is a dangerous situation.

A lack of logic and misunderstanding of stats is far more dangerous. (Zing!)

[nocturnal rooster]

Originally Posted by 61scout80

I can derail any thread!

Just want to post how dangerous a ban on handguns could be. I took Blip's post as saying the fact that people carry guns is a bad thing, so posted some information on an area where it is illeagal to carry a weapon

Good post on that Chicago thing. Not sure what the point was, but now I know about the dangers of living in Shootcago.

Why do you think there was an increase of crime because of the handgun ban?

[Summering]

I remember moving to PA, from NJ, and being in awe of all of the Gun Shops......
I never, ever, saw one in NJ........Here, there was big words, " Gun Shop" on many corners.
But, I took it to mean.........this is a hunting state, an outdoors type of environment.
I now don't even notice the words much any longer.
( I know we're all doing so swell, for not being moderated.......aren't we )

[61scout80]

Originally Posted by nocturnal rooster

Good post on that Chicago thing. Not sure what the point was, but now I know about the dangers of living in Shootcago.

Why do you think there was an increase of crime because of the handgun ban?

I absolutely believe so. If a criminal is planning to commit a crime with a gun they are going to use a gun, they are not going to obey gun laws to commit their crime. So, the only unarmed people are those who abide by the law, leaving them with no way to protect themselves.

If you compare stats of a city like Chicago, where handguns are illegal to any other large city that handguns are not illegal you will see that Chicago has far higher violent crime rates. The criminals see your average person like you and me as an easy target. In a place that allows weapons the coward criminals take a much higher risk going after the average person. Even though most people do not carry a weapon, the chance is still there.

Even the local media outlet admits that its safer to be in Iraq where about everyone is armed than in Chicago, where there is a weapon ban. That is frightening and part of the reason the second amendment was written by our founding fathers.

[nocturnal rooster]

Originally Posted by 61scout80

I absolutely believe so. If a criminal is planning to commit a crime with a gun they are going to use a gun, they are not going to obey gun laws to commit their crime. So, the only unarmed people are those who abide by the law, leaving them with no way to protect themselves.

If you compare stats of a city like Chicago, where handguns are illegal to any other large city that handguns are not illegal you will see that Chicago has far higher violent crime rates. The criminals see your average person like you and me as an easy target. In a place that allows weapons the coward criminals take a much higher risk going after the average person. Even though most people do not carry a weapon, the chance is still there.

Even the local media outlet admits that its safer to be in Iraq where about everyone is armed than in Chicago, where there is a weapon ban. That is frightening and part of the reason the second amendment was written by our founding fathers.

I get it now, that was an insightful and logical explanation.

Why did you move out of PA, besides the fact of their messed up booze laws? I see you lived in the W-B/Scranton area, that had to have been part of the reason why you moved, lol

[61scout80]

Originally Posted by nocturnal rooster

I get it now, that was an insightful and logical explanation.

Why did you move out of PA, besides the fact of their messed up booze laws?

I thought i wanted hot summers and warm winters, there are more job opportunities for me here, and my other hobby of four wheeling is more prevalent here.

There are thousands of miles of trails for ATVs and jeeps. The vehicle code is much less oppressive than Pa, so you can drive a safe reasonably modified vehicle on the streets. ATV's and side by sides (rhinos) are street legal for use off freeways here as well. Arizona is much friendlier to motor sport enthusiasts of all types. Even the climate is better for car lovers, since the desert does not rust cars. you can find about any year vehicle that needs very very minimal body work


I prefer more personal freedoms, and Arizona gives me those freedoms.