Political/Off-Topic sticky chat thread (Wilkes-Barre, Luzerne: incomes, work, health)

[TERMINOLOGY]

Originally Posted by CHS89

Keep in mind, I'm not the one who accused the police of impropriety and then failed to offer proof when questioned.

You are the one making the accustion, for what purpose I don't know. I made no accusation, please review my posts.

[TERMINOLOGY]

Originally Posted by to570717

I think what we have here is failure to communicate...........

I agree that it is dangerous to turn a blind eye for the sake laziness. I agree that a community needs to be aware of emenant danger be it slow moving or fast. I agree that everything you mentioned should be addressed. However, with the amount of rumor mongering that goes on about Scranton Politicos and the sort, there needs to be specifics when their is a complaint.

CONTENT WAS THERE in my mind. collabrative data to back it up was not for whatever reason. I dont care, point taken.

My intent was never to make a federal case out of, or accuse the officers in question. They admit that this is the way it works. I accept that this is the way it is. My intent was to discuss it in the context of the larger issue. The police are not that issue. What is the larger issue?

[CHS89]

Originally Posted by TERMINOLOGY

Simple fender benders are not being investigated. The cop will investigate to the point where he visits the illegals residence in SOUTH SIDE. There will be many people living in a 1/4 of the house. There will be one person possibly that speaks English. The person the vehicle is registered to will not speak English. The owner of the vehicle can say that they do not know who is or was driving their car. The police drop it there. FACT At this point your insurance company will advise you that the guilty parties insurance company will not cover your deductible because the police report is incomplete. The police will tell you thats all we can do. Now, you have to go knock on the door down in SOUTH SIDE, and settle it your self. This is costing the City allot of money. Cops have to perform some work, and allot of time to no end. In addition, our hospitals are treating Illegals. The City Schools have hired Spanish speaking translators at the tax payers expense. Why?

Sounds like an accusation of misconduct to me.

Who's not doing their job? When did an investigation such as this not get followed through to its conclusion? If there are so many of them, surely you can cite just one specific instance, times, dates, and officers involved. And if it's as rampant as you claim, have the state police been notified of this dereliction of duties, since apparently, according to you, it's SOP in Scranton? That's really all I'm asking. Or are you satisfied that spreading your (to this point) unsubstantiated rumor on a message board is correcting the problem?

The last sentences of the quoted post are just nonsensical rubbish.

[TERMINOLOGY]

Originally Posted by CHS89

Sounds like an accusation of misconduct to me.

Who's not doing their job? When did an investigation such as this not get followed through to its conclusion? If there are so many of them, surely you can cite just one specific instance, times, dates, and officers involved. And if it's as rampant as you claim, have the state police been notified of this dereliction of duties, since apparently, according to you, it's SOP in Scranton? That's really all I'm asking. Or are you satisfied that spreading your (to this point) unsubstantiated rumor on a message board is correcting the problem?

The last sentences of the quoted post are just nonsensical rubbish.

I think we have to agree to disagree.

Thanks,

[to570717]

Larger issue is that it makes sence for someone to come here illegally because to try and come here and go through the rediculous motions of citizenship does not financially make sence. If I where hispanic and wanted to come here, i'd be illegal. W made a good point in his SOTU adress. We must have an incentive for these men and women to be able to come here and work yet not be "ghosts" within our system.

[TERMINOLOGY]

Originally Posted by to570717

Larger issue is that it makes sence for someone to come here illegally because to try and come here and go through the rediculous motions of citizenship does not financially make sence. If I where hispanic and wanted to come here, i'd be illegal. W made a good point in his SOTU adress. We must have an incentive for these men and women to be able to come here and work yet not be "ghosts" within our system.

That works for the Illegal, but again, is W asking me to pay? Or is he expecting me to pay? The incentive needs to be to get our people out of poverty first. In operation *******, Eisenhower rounded up and shipped back 1 million Illegals. Solved the Issue for the time.

If we took 5000 Americans and plopped them in the middle of Mexico. Asked the Mexican Government to pay for Education, Health Care, Food, housing etc, how long before those Americans would be facing the firing squad.

The way that it was supposed to work was that when the low paying jobs became hard to fill, than you increase wages making them more attractive. This is the bottom side of Regan's Trickle Down Reganomics. Instead of paying the lower wage jobs more, what were doing is filling the gap with a people that will basically accept lower wages, or keep the wage stagnant, instead of allowing the wage to increase.

These Americans are being screwed.

[to570717]

You will never accomplish that idea when you have people HERE willing to work for less. Think with a business mind rather than a humanatarian or taxpayer mnd for a moment.

Why would big business, who run this country, want to increase their bottom line for the sake of Poor Americans? They don't give a shyte. Secondly, the poor don't have a voice in this country. The rich let their money talk. I hear you and trust me, I wish a change would take place.

America needs to fix itself rather than fix everything else.

[TERMINOLOGY]

Originally Posted by to570717

You will never accomplish that idea when you have people HERE willing to work for less. Think with a business mind rather than a humanatarian or taxpayer mnd for a moment.

Why would big business, who run this country, want to increase their bottom line for the sake of Poor Americans? They don't give a shyte. Secondly, the poor don't have a voice in this country. The rich let their money talk. I hear you and trust me, I wish a change would take place.

America needs to fix itself rather than fix everything else.

Agreed, but will never accept defeat. Or denose.

[TERMINOLOGY]

Political scene is getting hot.

I think the only Republican duo that can win in a general would be these two.

McCain can get most of Republican vote. He can get the moderate Libertarian, and a few democrats.

With Leberman, he picks up Independent, and a certain demography of democrat.

This is the only team that really can win in a general against Clinton or Obama.

[ScranBarre]

Originally Posted by TERMINOLOGY

Political scene is getting hot.

I think the only Republican duo that can win in a general would be these two.

McCain can get most of Republican vote. He can get the moderate Libertarian, and a few democrats.

With Leberman, he picks up Independent, and a certain demography of democrat.

This is the only team that really can win in a general against Clinton or Obama.

As long as Suckabee doesn't win I'll be happy! You also have to realize though that if John Edwards should eventually endorse Barack Obama, he'll be a tough cookie for McCain to beat.