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05-16-2008, 12:10 PM
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I don't want to sound like a conspirasy theorist, but we have taken over Afgahnistan. Doesn't anyone else think it's a little strange that heroin production in that country is higher then ever before, now that we occupy it? There is no reason why the most powerful country, with the most powerful weaponry on earth cannot destroy the heroin in Afgahnistan, and at the very least cripple the heroin trade! The government must be allowing drugs to fester. Honestly, I can't think of any other explanation. There is no exuse why the USA cannot decimate the worlds heroin supply if they really wanted to. There is definately more to the so called "drug war" then meets the eye.
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05-16-2008, 01:57 PM
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What War? Why do we enjoy the word War so much? War on drugs, War on Terror, War on Hunger, War on and on and on.. What makes NEPA any less at risk than say SEPA or Durham NC. As long as people 'must use' or 'must have' drugs there will always be sellers. No war or quasi-war or fake war can stop it. After all these years of stopping them in Colombia, Afghana-something or another, nothing, no results. So what now......time to go after the users. Time to think hard and long about punishment for users. Let see if one s caught steeling in say Saudi Arabia the penalty is....yep you know it! Here we arrest them, take their pictures, provide shelter and maybe a meal, provide them an attorney (..and your welcome) and send them out the front door to....you guessed it go buy more drugs. Yea its the pushers fault.......so sad what our country is coming to even in NEPA! Not enough money for food/shelter/gas but boy can we buy drugs. Amazing just amazing.....
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05-16-2008, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dansdrive
What War? Why do we enjoy the word War so much? War on drugs, War on Terror, War on Hunger, War on and on and on.. What makes NEPA any less at risk than say SEPA or Durham NC. As long as people 'must use' or 'must have' drugs there will always be sellers. No war or quasi-war or fake war can stop it. After all these years of stopping them in Colombia, Afghana-something or another, nothing, no results. So what now......time to go after the users. Time to think hard and long about punishment for users. Let see if one s caught steeling in say Saudi Arabia the penalty is....yep you know it! Here we arrest them, take their pictures, provide shelter and maybe a meal, provide them an attorney (..and your welcome) and send them out the front door to....you guessed it go buy more drugs. Yea its the pushers fault.......so sad what our country is coming to even in NEPA! Not enough money for food/shelter/gas but boy can we buy drugs. Amazing just amazing.....
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I think we should just dry up the supply by executing drug dealers.
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05-16-2008, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by W-B proud
Doesn't anyone else think it's a little strange that heroin production in that country is higher then ever before, now that we occupy it?
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Not at all. They're called "kickbacks" and "getting a slice of the pie".
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There is no reason why the most powerful country, with the most powerful weaponry on earth cannot destroy the heroin in Afgahnistan, and at the very least cripple the heroin trade!
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Easier said than done. Besides, it's usually folly to use a large, blunt weapon on a small, sharp target. You could carpet-bomb all the poppy fields you want - as long as there is demand, there'll be production.
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There is no exuse why the USA cannot decimate the worlds heroin supply if they really wanted to.
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The USA can't even get out of their own way with medical care, welfare, law enforcement, gas prices, etc. - what makes you think they'd be any more efficient overseas?
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05-17-2008, 02:52 AM
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NEPA is great for drug dealers. They can buy stuff in NYC at wholesale prices and then make 10 times the amount selling locally. Most of it comes in thru Martz buses. Put some drug sniffing canines at the Martz terminal on a Friday afternoon they will have a field day.
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05-17-2008, 12:31 PM
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Those 30 people by the articles I read are mostly low level street dealers who are most likely just selling to support their own habit. The "War on Drugs" has been going on for more than two decades and the only result we have is a bloated prison system. The only thing I see is another 30 people going to jail that I now have to support. There 's 100's more lined up right behind them to fill their shoes in Pittston alone.
As long as the enormous profits can be made their will be drugs available, most of those people arrested if addicted could care less about the consequences. They just want their next high. Even imposing a death penalty on possession wouldn't stop most of them from seeking it out, the addiction to heroin is that great. I had a childhood friend addicted to heroin and he told me point blank he couldn't be trusted, he knew , I knew it.... there's nothing you can about it once addicted.
If the U.S. wants to solve this problem the only thing that is even going to begin to help is take the criminality out of it and make it legal. That will at least solve many of the crime problems associated with it and get these people out of jail. The money saved by not housing them in jail can be spent on treatment where they belong. Sending them all to jail just isn't working and isn't going too.
When you send someone to jail for drug offenses that is otherwise a decent person the only thing you are doing is sending them to criminal college at taxpayers expense. Most are going to come out worse off than they went in. Jail should be reserved for violent offenders, rapists, murderers... Drug addicts have a disease, self inflicted but a disease nonetheless.
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05-17-2008, 02:03 PM
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I think we should just dry up the supply by executing drug dealers.
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I have no problem with executing them, but once the drug dealers no they will be executed if caught, there will be gun fights til the death between dealers and cops. If a dealer knows he will be executed if caught, you can bet your last dollar he will not go out without an all out gun war everytime a cop tries to make an arrest. This is neither safe for the police or the citizens that will be getting caught in the cross-fire. It would be like Columbia! I say legalize it and tax the hell out of it. All the billions we waste on the "war on drugs" and it's worse now then ever. Legalizing it will at least end "street drug dealing" because the government would now be in control, and the billions in tax revenue wouldn't be bad either. I say at the very least they should try legalization for maybe ten years and see what happens. If it ends up going very bad then make them illegal again. All I know is that I'm sick and tired of working 40-50 hours a week knowing some punk, low life drug dealer is making twice as much as me for dealing for a few hours a week! Something must change the fake "war on drugs" is obviously a huge failure.
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05-17-2008, 07:44 PM
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I lived near Lewis Spiccioli what a shock!!
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Did you ever buy Crack from him? 
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05-17-2008, 10:13 PM
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I lived near Lewis Spiccioli what a shock!!
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Yes. The newspaper listed his address as in the Highland Hills subdivision near Pittston. I know of several people who reside along Carey Lane, but his family is not amongst them. Are his parents chiropractors?
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05-17-2008, 10:19 PM
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Yes. His father died in an automobile accident.
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Oh dear. I'm very sorry to hear that. It's a very tragic way to leave this crazy world of ours.  When we moved into Butler Heights in 1996, Spiccioli Chiropractic (which then became Car-Lotta Credit and will now soon hit the wrecking ball for Pittston Crossings), anchored the road into our subdivision. Small world, heyna or no? 
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