Smoking Ban bill as been passed (new home, moving, nicest)

[ScranBarre]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

I wouldn't assume that, this is relatively small issue overall and is one of the reasons they could vote for it without having to worry about rocking the boat too much. When November rolls around the vote they made on this isn't going to mean a thing no matter which way it was.

I wouldn't be so certain of that. In case you can't tell from this very active sub-forum alone a tremendous number of people make mountains out of mole hills and will rant and rave about a topic until they've not only killed the horse but are beating its corpse mercilessly as well! It's the "little things" that irritate people in Scranton because many (not all) can't see "the big picture." The vegetated hillsides around our region are being depleted at an alarming rate for new tract housing, big-box stores, etc., yet people will blame "da mayor" if their low-lying neighborhood floods as a result of this poor regional planning in adjacent uphill communities---a phenomenon he has no control over. A major quagmire rages on in Iraq, a nation in which we seem to lose yet another two dozen heroes and heroines each month, yet there are many morons around here who are much more concerned with "Adam and Steve" in the coming election merely because it disgusts them that two men or two women can love each other while they themselves can't find an opposite-sex partner.

Perhaps it's because the general populace just feels helpless against the REAL problems of this world such as the impending recession, sub-prime mortgage crisis, rising fuel and gasoline prices, deadly wars, famine, a growing domestic underclass, urban sprawl, terminal illnesses, etc. that they shift their attention towards these "little battles" that they can have an impact upon in order to bring about change. I expect smoking bans, same-sex rights, abortion, etc. to remain "hot button" issues for a number of years to come, whether we all like it or not.

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by The Commish

How many livelihoods are you putting at risk by allowing an atmosphere where smoking takes place? People die from second-hand smoke. You can wave your hands and say it's only a "choice" to go to restaurants, but that ignores what people actually do. Big surprise: they go out to restaurants.

Let's get something straight, you as an adult are responsible your actions. If you don't realize that you're going to find out the hard way. Don't lay the blame at other peoples feet.

Commish: "Hmm a smoke filled restaurant. I know its bad for me. I detest the smell. Think I'll go in!"

Is that the thought process of a rationale person?

[memoriesbre]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

Let's get something straight, you as an adult are responsible your actions. If you don't realize that you're going to find out the hard way. Don't lay the blame at other peoples feet.

Commish: "Hmm a smoke filled restaurant. I know its bad for me. I detest the smell. Think I'll go in!"

Is that the thought process of a rationale person?

then everybody can be in a safe enviornment. Why should a restaurant or any other public place have smoking? If somebody wants to SMOKE and put their lives on the line then they should do it without risking other peoples health,
END OF SUBJECT!~

[ScranBarre]

Originally Posted by memoriesbre

then everybody can be in a safe enviornment. Why should a restaurant or any other public place have smoking? If somebody wants to SMOKE and put their lives on the line then they should do it without risking other peoples health,
END OF SUBJECT!~

...and with that my adoptive disciplinarian auntie puts her foot down! Good job!

[thecoalman]

memoriesbre, two posts. two posts that have nothing to do with what you quoted....so I'll ask it again...


Who has held a gun to your head forcing you to patronize an establishment that allowed smoking?

-or-

Have you ever been held by force in smoking establishment?

-or-

kidnapped and taken to an establishment that allowed smoking?


If the answer to all of the above is no, then anything done to your health by passive smoke or any irritation you had being in that establishment has been caused your own actions.

How could possibly think otherwise, it s not I or anyone else that forced you into that position.

[FightinPhils]

I am so sick of the smokers' "s c r e w you, get up and leave if you don't like our smoke" attitude. Let's use this analogy with a different situation. Let's say that someone doesn't like using indoor toilets and decides that they will go to the local park and crap all over the playground equipment every day. Should that person just say "s c r e w you, you can get up and leave and go somewhere else if you don't like my feces on this playground equipment"????

Cigarette smoke is a deadly noxious poison....show I be allowed to back up to a restaurant or anywhere with my car and spew exhaust fumes into an enlcosed area? Why not? Maybe I like breathing exhaust fumes in enclosed areas! Get up and leave if you don't like it!!

Or how would you smokers like if I rip smelly farts in a booth next you at a restaurant and wave it at you while you eat?

"Do you mind if I smoke? No, do you mind if I fart? It's one of my habits."
- Steve Martin

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by FightinPhils

I am so sick of the smokers' "s c r e w you, get up and leave if you don't like our smoke" attitude. Let's use this analogy with a different situation. Let's say that someone doesn't like using indoor toilets and decides that they will go to the local park and crap all over the playground equipment every day. Should that person just say "s c r e w you, you can get up and leave and go somewhere else if you don't like my feces on this playground equipment"????

Wrong again! Nice try but I'm assuming you mean at a publicly funded park? Certainly that shouldn't be allowed. However since you posed the question, if it was privately owned park and the owner of the park wanted to permit such behavior then certainly. Assuming of course the public that didn't condone such behavior was far enough away to not be affected by it.

You assumption that a restaurant is somehow a public place is wrong. It's private establishment that invites the public in. They can prevent you from coming in , kick you out or tell you what is and is not allowed. That is the concept you have to wrap your head around.

[FightinPhils]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

Wrong again! Nice try but I'm assuming you mean at a publicly funded park? Certainly that shouldn't be allowed. However since you posed the question, if it was privately owned park and the owner of the park wanted to permit such behavior then certainly. Assuming of course the public that didn't condone such behavior was far enough away to not be affected by it.

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Actually whether or not its a publicly funded park, that sort of behavior is illegal. Likewise, my yard may be my private property, but I can't walk around my yard in the nude. Should that be allowed as well? Should my kids be exposed to my next door neighbors walking around their yards buck naked while they play in the yard? I don't think so. There are some laws, even laws that may apply to private property, that are for the greater public good. The only way you can be consistent and not a hypocrite with your opposition to a smoking ban is if you're an anarchist. But the reality is, you're venting about laws that restrict something you like to do, so you're complaining. I'm sure some nudists would also like to be able to walk around their yards and around town nude, but they can't.

[thecoalman]

Wrong Again! Your neighbors aren't given the choice in the matter, now if you want to build a 20 foot fence around your yard I don't see what the issue is. Coincidentally a fence is similar to a wall which are found on buildings.

As far as the poop park why should you give a rats ass if someone wants to take a dump all over the place... again assuming the neighbors are not effected by it especially with the health risks. Note when I say health risks I mean ones that could not be contained on the private land. Otherwise if someone wants to take that risk I say let them have at it. Not my business.

[herefreeman]

Originally Posted by memoriesbre

then everybody can be in a safe enviornment. Why should a restaurant or any other public place have smoking? If somebody wants to SMOKE and put their lives on the line then they should do it without risking other peoples health,
END OF SUBJECT!~

Said like a true anti smoker, and a nanny. End the subject and use the force of law.
Again,you reference a restaurant or any other public place. A restaurant was private property until they were declared a "public place" by law. Do you not see the danger in freedom lost for all with that type of law?
Read previous posts or actually investigate what Relative Risk is.
Be responsible for yourself. Too many people have this "entitlement" mentality.Soon we may all be regulated to stay at home to "protect" us from all the risks in the world. It will be much easier now that the weaklings have shown perceived risk should allow government to control of private property.

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can
prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people
under the pretense of taking care of them."
- Thomas Jefferson