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Old 07-11-2008, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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The U.S. Census Bureau has just released its annual population estimates. Be advised that these numbers can not be verified until 2011, when data from the 2010 U.S. Census is officially released, but it's a good way until that time to notice trends since 2000. Here are some local numbers:


Carbondale: 2007 Pop. 9,261, 2000 Pop. 9,804, -543
Clarks Summit: 2007 Pop. 4,983, 2000 Pop. 5,126, -143
Dallas: 2007 Pop. 2,483, 2000 Pop. 2,557, -74
Dunmore: 2007 Pop. 13,932, 2000 Pop. 14,018, -86
Hazleton: 2007 Pop. 21,867, 2000 Pop. 23,329, -1,462
Kingston: 2007 Pop. 13,016, 2000 Pop. 13,855, -839
Nanticoke: 2007 Pop. 10,246, 2000 Pop. 10,955, -709
Pittston: 2007 Pop. 7,586, 2000 Pop. 8,104, -518
Scranton: 2007 Pop. 72,485, 2000 Pop. 76,415, -3,930
Wilkes-Barre: 2007 Pop. 41,069, 2000 Pop. 43,123, -2,054

As you can see the core valley cities in our area continued their treacherous decline, but what was also interesting to note was that urban sprawl is now beginning to even feed on established suburbs themselves, as both Dallas and Clarks Summit shed population to their neighboring townships of Dallas Township and South Abington Township, respectively.

*Abingtons, Lackawanna County: 2007 Pop. 32,741, 2000 Pop. 32,152, +589
**Back Mountain, Luzerne County: 2007 Pop. 35,391, 2000 Pop. 34,881, +510
Greater Pittston, Luzerne County: 2007 Pop. 48,290, 2000 Pop. 49,672, -1,382
***Mountain Top, Luzerne County: 2007 Pop. 18,242, 2000 Pop. 17,117, +1,125
North Pocono, Lackawanna County: 2007 Pop. 19,832, 2000 Pop. 16,790, +3,042

* Including Benton Twp. and Scott Twp.
** Including Lake Twp. and Ross Twp.
*** Including Penn Lake Park and Slocum Twp.

Last edited by SteelCityRising; 07-11-2008 at 10:19 AM.. Reason: Typo
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Old 07-11-2008, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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Well, I suppose there's always a silver lining to everything. This morning's Scranton Times-Tribune has put a positive spin on the city's continued population decline because the decrease from 2006-2007 was the lowest since the 1940s. They are implying that the city could soon start adding population again, and Mayor Doherty was quoted in the article as distrusting the U.S. Census Bureau's accuracy because he believes that a growing school enrollment indicates population growth in the city limits. I'm not surprised though that the county overall is growing for the first time in many decades; the North Pocono School District alone added over 3,000 residents since 2000 and is expected to grow even more rapidly in the coming years (hence the need for a new high school that the short-sighted dummies out there don't think they "need," but I digress).
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Old 07-11-2008, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Sheeptown, USA
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Paul, we don't even have to get into why the population of Scranton is decreasing dramatically. Dan has pointed it out many times. Of all those cities mentioned in our area, Scranton has the most decrease at 3,930 in 7 years. Says something about the state of this city.
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Old 07-12-2008, 03:07 PM
 
Location: wilkes-barre
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I was surprised by Hazleton's decrease. I thought they would have had an increase.
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Old 07-12-2008, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Idiocracy
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Paul, we don't even have to get into why the population of Scranton is decreasing dramatically. Dan has pointed it out many times. Of all those cities mentioned in our area, Scranton has the most decrease at 3,930 in 7 years. Says something about the state of this city.
Uh, that's just because it's the largest by far of those cities. The decrease since 2000 is not dramatically more than for most towns and cities in the region:

nanticoke: -6.47%
pittston: -6.39%
hazleton: -6.27%
kingston: -6.06%
duryea: -5.93%
swoyersville: -5.64%
carbondale: -5.54%
scranton: -5.14%
berwick: -4.93%
WB: -4.76%
taylor: -4.53%
w pittston: -3.39%
old forge: -3.08%
clarks summit: -2.79%
olyphant: -0.88%
dunmore: -0.61%

You can blame the city of Scranton if you want, and I'm sure there are a lot of things it could do better, but it appears the main issue is the regional economy.
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Old 07-12-2008, 04:39 PM
 
Location: wilkes-barre
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I, like Scranton Mayor Chris Doherty, am questioning the accuracy of the census data. Are they just projections, or are the very accurate? Because I live in a neighborhood in W-B that it seems like literally every week a new family is moving into the neighborhood, many long abandoned. dilapadated houses are being bought up and renovated, and then rented out. My daughter's school is overflowing with new hispanic and black transplants to the area, and it really feels like my neighborhood is growing, and rapidly too! I can only speak for one sliver of the city, but I have no reason to believe it's not happening in other neighborhood's throughout the rest of the city also. I think somebody needs to double check the census data.
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Old 07-12-2008, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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I was surprised by Hazleton's decrease. I thought they would have had an increase.
I hate to be somewhat politically incorrect here, but I think I'll just use the word undocumented to give you a hint of my suspicions. Mayor Barletta seems to think his city is home to 30,000 residents now, but I'll trust the U.S. Census Bureau over his hunches. I actually think Hazleton's most accurate population is probably around 25,000. Let's also not forget that Hazleton's suburbs are exploding in growth---Butler Township (Drums) is now I believe the sixth-largest community out of the 76 in the county.
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Old 07-12-2008, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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Originally Posted by W-B proud View Post
I, like Scranton Mayor Chris Doherty, am questioning the accuracy of the census data. Are they just projections, or are the very accurate? Because I live in a neighborhood in W-B that it seems like literally every week a new family is moving into the neighborhood, many long abandoned. dilapadated houses are being bought up and renovated, and then rented out. My daughter's school is overflowing with new hispanic and black transplants to the area, and it really feels like my neighborhood is growing, and rapidly too! I can only speak for one sliver of the city, but I have no reason to believe it's not happening in other neighborhood's throughout the rest of the city also. I think somebody needs to double check the census data.
These are just projections; data is extrapolated using past trends. We won't have the "official" tally until 2011, after the results of the 2010 U.S. Census are released. I think it's fair to say that Wilkes-Barre and Scranton have each shed population from 2006-2007, but I think from 2009-2010 that trend will change. I already see promise in how Scranton's population dip this past year was the smallest it's seen in decades. I think this can be contributed to a record enrollment at the University of Scranton, the continued expansion of subdivisions like Keyser Terrace and Tripps Park, and more people opting to live in the city vs. the suburbs as fuel prices continue to spike. If the downtown developers would get their thumbs out of their rear-ends and forge onwards with plans for loft housing, I think it's very realistic to predict Scranton showing a very small increase in population by 2010. Contrary to what Ed, Dan, etc. think, there are many reasons for people to want to move to the city---violent crime is low, schools are average to above-average, infrastructure such as sidewalks, curbs, rear alleyways, etc. exist, many homes are within walking distance to parks, churches, elementary schools, markets, beauty parlors, etc., etc.

If I were to run for mayor I would run on the platform of reducing the wage tax to 1.0% over a pro-rated basis of reducing the tax by 0.6% annually for each of my first four years in office, bringing it down by 2.4% from its current 3.4% (the remaining 1.0% is out of the city's hands as it is designated for the school district). A new amusement tax, along with trimming pork in the budget, would compensate for that lost revenue. Scranton's last hurdle is its high wage tax. Most people can stomach living in a city with inept politicians as most, as Dan would say, are apathetic sheep anyways, but they can't justify paying 3.4% of their income for the "benefit" of living in the city limits. Reducing that wage tax is the key to promoting residential growth in the city.

As far as Wilkes-Barre is concerned, the cost-of-living there is already very reasonable, but the city's image as being "crime-ridden" remains its particular hurdle. I feel as if the media is to blame for this with its sensationalism. When a violent crime occurs in Wilkes-Barre, all three television news networks are running around in mass panic with live reports. When a violent crime occurs in Scranton, you barely hear a peep out of it from the media. I wonder sometimes if Mayor Doherty doesn't have some sort of agreement with the local media to prevent them from giving his city a black eye? I already think Wilkes-Barre has the superior downtown, even if Scranton seems to have superior neighborhoods. Wilkes-Barre is also much, much more diverse than Scranton---I work in the West Side suburbs and have been noticing a visible increase in the proportion of our clientèle that are minorities, which is a good thing in my opinion. Increasing our diversity gives visitors the impression that we're more urbane and cosmopolitan, which helps us to progress into the future.
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