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Old 08-11-2008, 10:58 AM
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I think Scranton's downtown growth is going to be fairly stagnant until they get more people actually living downtown. What you see now is pretty much as big as it can get without a little more life.
I don't understand how Wilkes-Barre, which has a much drearier reputation than Scranton for overall livability, can have several hundred lofts and condos proposed in nearly a half-dozen downtown mixed-use projects, all of which are moving forward, while Scranton's few downtown housing projects have all stalled, save for the 500-block of Lackawanna Avenue, which will have very residential units anyways.
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Old 08-11-2008, 11:24 AM
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I don't understand how Wilkes-Barre, which has a much drearier reputation than Scranton for overall livability, can have several hundred lofts and condos proposed in nearly a half-dozen downtown mixed-use projects, all of which are moving forward, while Scranton's few downtown housing projects have all stalled, save for the 500-block of Lackawanna Avenue, which will have very residential units anyways.
If they don't offer downtown W-B's future condos and lofts at a reasonable rate, I wouldn't be surprised if they become low-income housing within a few years. It's great that all these projects are moving forward, but I can't help but wonder who will be able to pay $150,000 + for one of them. This isn't Manhatten! People around here barely surviving now. Have you seen the Luzerne County sheriff's sales and forclosures Latety? They are at record highs. They must know something we don't though, because you don't just build multi-million dollar projects like this without doing extensive research on marketability and what not beforehand.
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Old 08-11-2008, 11:26 AM
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Just to add onto Summering's excellent photos, here are some images of Downtown Ithaca's pedestrian mall that I feel as if Scranton could have and should have emulated:










Maybe these improvements could be made to Hyde Park's downtown along Main Avenue so I could be in close proximity to it when I move in?
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Old 08-11-2008, 11:30 AM
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How much better off would downtown Scranton be if that was Lackawanna Ave rather than the Flea Market at Steamtown?

Main Ave in West Side could use some upgrades...just some old streetlamps, some trees, and benches would be fine.
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Old 08-11-2008, 11:35 AM
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How much better off would downtown Scranton be if that was Lackawanna Ave rather than the Flea Market at Steamtown?

Main Ave in West Side could use some upgrades...just some old streetlamps, some trees, and benches would be fine.
I think Hyde Park could use the same sort of street scape improvements that Pittston is currently getting. I'll have to head down to Tomato Town shortly (perhaps during the Tomato Festival) to take some photos of the good things that are happening down in the city. All overhead utilities are being moved underground along the city's main arteries so that new trees and Victorian-era streetlights can be installed. New sidewalks are being poured, and crosswalks are now going to be made out of brick pavers to make them stand out more. Benches are also planned. Unfortunately much of the city remains an eyesore, so one can consider this to be putting lipstick on a pig, much as how the fiber-optic lighting of the Firefighters' Memorial Bridge (formerly the Water Street Bridge) and the new Riverfront Park were supposed to serve as catalysts to totally "transform" Pittston. I still don't understand how a town so convenient to I-81, I-476, the now-dubbed "315 Strip", Wilkes-Barre, Scranton, and Susquehanna River (not to mention all of the hot Italian guys, but I digress! LOL!) can have so little going for it.
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Old 08-11-2008, 11:40 AM
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I don't understand how Wilkes-Barre, which has a much drearier reputation than Scranton for overall livability, can have several hundred lofts and condos proposed in nearly a half-dozen downtown mixed-use projects, all of which are moving forward, while Scranton's few downtown housing projects have all stalled, save for the 500-block of Lackawanna Avenue, which will have very residential units anyways.
The Connell project is still steadily progressing, not sure where the other projects are. The building that Markowitz was in on Linden is now vacated, I assume they will be knocking it down shortly. I think it's supposed to be replaced by a five story mixed use building, I have no idea how much space is slated for apartments.
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Hey, yes........I was to the downtown of Ithaca, NY. There was a fall festival there right in the area you took photos of Scranbarre. Wow, that bought back memories.
We came home to find that our neighbors across the street also attended the festival in Ithaca. So we see that people are drawn to that town from near and far.
That is very much like Doylestown to me. The kids just came home from camping near the falls at one of the Parks there, just yesterday.
I love those pictures........Now what party and what group will be the one to move ahead and make Scranton......The Ithaca of NEPA?
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I would assume she meant West Chester, as Chester is a bombed-out ghetto.
No that was Chester, NJ There are some pictures of Chester posted on this thread. LOL. Chester, NJ is the cutest, town.........it has been a cool place to visit for as long as I can remember. Even as a child living far from that town, we'd head there.
Its a good example of what a town can be, as is Ithaca, Doylestown, and some other charming towns that draw people from all around.

Your right about those clothes. Believe me the twins are not easy on their outfits. Not in the least.

I'm not going to ask you what kind of shirt your wearing. If its a Polo or if its a Navy........ I'd never judge a person by the brand of the clothes.

Brand is just too pretentous. You can make 50G and wear a Gap shirt or a Old Navy shirt. It just should not matter all that much.....
Sometimes I think the only person who notices, is the one who bought the Polo shirt and wants everyone to take note...
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Nice!!
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Whew, where to start. I wish I had a couple hours to write this in more detail, but here goes. A lot of this is Scranton-centric, and heavily dependent on political progress. And, I know very little about the state of politics, budgets, etc. here, so not sure how realistic any of this is.

Also, note that I'm borrowing lots of ideas heard here and elsewhere. While I don't follow Jane Jacobs to a tee-- there's definitely a lot of her approach that I like.

So, two general areas this area should look at: the economy and urban planning, and of course they have a lot of overlap.

Economy:

1) Taxes, lower them as much as possible without hurting 2 and 3 and 4. Without knowing the state of the budget, and knowing it's probably tight after years of economic decline, I'm sure it's still doable given just how high taxes are now in Scranton. But, I'm sure it'd take hard choices about what has to give.

2) Keep public schools good. This is a great long-term investment, and it helps to attract new residents, often well-educated middle class folks who research this sort of thing.

3) Keep crime low. We've got a really low crime rate for a city this size.

4a) Transportation beyond the region. Easier access to NYC and Philly will help us. I don't think we'll become a bastion for commuters-- we're just too far. But, easier access for business people, visitors, and yes even some tourists will help commerce. I'd love to see a train, but better bus service may make more sense for the buck.


Urban planning-ish stuff:

People may not think of this area as "urban", but urban planning makes sense for small cities too. If we want this city to turn around, it needs to grow. Smarter growth will help keep and improve the character of the town, give us areas to be proud of, and give outsiders some reason to come here.

4b) Local transportation: Better mobility

Few roads go through from one area to another, and the few that do are in slow going. Sidewalks are in shambles. A lot can be done cheaply with timing of lights, ticketing of property owners with impassable sidewalks, and making 476 more open and accessible to inhabited parts of our towns.

Can't speak to COLTS, as I haven't taken it anywhere yet. But, I'm sure--as in most small city systems--it's inadequate, and also more expensive than seems justifiable. So, not sure what to do with it.

5) Develop the cores: pick a few key areas to focus on as pedestrian-friendly, open-late cores, probably Downtown, around the river, Main Ave., and maybe Cedar or Pittston Ave in Southside.

Work them in various concerted ways:
* mixed use zoning: maybe most people in this city of houses *won't* want to live in apartments right near shops, but some sure will. (students and recent grads often don't want to maintain a lawn, but do want easy access to shops, restaurants, bars.) And, retail in a bubble without nearby residents is more likely to fail.
* open up the mall to the Lackawanna Ave
* connect the cores: zoning W Lackawanna Ave up to West Side, making stretch to southside more walkable/pleasant (right now these are both big barriers in a Jacobs-ian sense.) Don't do things like putting in an office park on Linden Street-- that's also a barrier.
* preserve the streetscape (more zoning to prevent strip-mall-ification), see Old Forge to see how car-oriented design can kill a town
* tie other things into the core: move farmers' market to somewhere downtown but still with plenty of parking. (that big parking lot next to the mall) same with other festivals, etc.
* get the baseball stadium downtown. i'm usually opposed to municipalities blowing vast sums of money on new stadiums. but, seems like a modest expenditure here might go a long way.

6) Avoid mega-projects. Better to change zoning and taxes in order to let things spring up organically over time. Huge multi-block projects are usually more disruptful to a neighborhood than helpful, and 20 years on you end up with another costly mega-project to undo it. And they're costly and suck up so much of government's time, often for the pure vanity of leaving one person's "mark" on a city.

7) Rehabilitating old houses. There are so many amazing ~100 year old houses here with amazing architectural detail. Designate historic zones, try to get state preservationist funding (if any exists), give tax breaks, or at least help foster pride in some of these neighborhoods with these gems.


Apologies, it's broad and not so detailed, but at least gives an outline for what one new resident thinks may help. (And it'd probably be very similar stuff for most small American cities.)

And, I actually think this town is making decent progress on some of these fronts.
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