Boycott the Roman Catholic Church (live, prices, shops)

[AmeriKenArtist]

Originally Posted by NYRangers 2008

Not saying ALL liberals, but most that I have seen. Just like ALL Catholics aren't like the bishop and do have minds of their own. See it works both ways. I don't think it's right to be told who to vote for ...

I agree, and any mature adult with a thinking mind would not be submissive and do exactly as someone else dictates from a soapbox or a pulpit!

[weluvpa]

Originally Posted by littlebunnie69

This morning my hubby took my 7 year old to church, The priest decided to read a copy of that letter sent by Bishop Martino and then to add several more of his opinions about abortion, the death of a baby, and the burning to hell part. MY hubby a person who perfers to not have an opinion. Got upset and decided to leave in the middle of mass with my daughter in tow. He did not feel that a child of that age should be hearing those kinda things. MY little girls first question when they reached the car was Daddy what is abortion and will i burn in hell? Do you think that i as a parent i should have to answer these question. so early in my daughter life ?

One more added worry as a parent weither i can take my child to church or not. Maybe next week they can teach her how gays are bad, another great conversation to have to explain my 7 year old.

Listen maybe the title "boycott the roman catholic church" was little harsh but something has to be done about this. You can't add your political views in church, trying to chance people minds. I have a copy of the letter in my hands. This was definitly a political letter and that is wrong.

Did the priest mention voting for any candidate? Listen your a catholic and you obviously know and understand the churches view on abortion so with that in mind why would you be offended that a priest was expressing the views of the church that your hubby was in with your 7yr old?

You or your hubby willing take a 7 yr old to an adult mass where the priest will most likely be speaking of adult issues and the moral directives of the church. Is it political really? Maybe the bishops letter wasn't the best but is it a clear representation of the catholic church and its values?

I GUESS THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT CATHOLIC CHURCH BACKED OR AT LEAST HELP PUSH A CANDIADTE SO THAT THEIR AGENDA WOULD BE FURTHERED?

I don't think that any 7yr old can comprehend what is being said during an adult mass.....Isn't that why they have sunday school?

[littlebunnie69]

Originally Posted by weluvpa

Did the priest mention voting for any candidate? Listen your a catholic and you obviously know and understand the churches view on abortion so with that in mind why would you be offended that a priest was expressing the views of the church that your hubby was in with your 7yr old?

You or your hubby willing take a 7 yr old to an adult mass where the priest will most likely be speaking of adult issues and the moral directives of the church. Is it political really? Maybe the bishops letter wasn't the best but is it a clear representation of the catholic church and its values?

I GUESS THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT CATHOLIC CHURCH BACKED OR AT LEAST HELP PUSH A CANDIADTE SO THAT THEIR AGENDA WOULD BE FURTHERED?

I don't think that any 7yr old can comprehend what is being said during an adult mass.....Isn't that why they have sunday school?

Your kidding right an adult mass on a sunday at 930am. Since when is there children masses and adult masses. Since I was a child sunday was a day for religion and mass. So your telling me that I shouldn't take my child to a mass on sunday because thats for adults? Really then you should come to my daughter's CCD class on saturday, where all they keep reminding us, as parents is "Make sure you take your children to mass on sunday.

I wonder weluvpa did you go to mass this weekend? Do you actually know what was read outloud?

HUmm lets see let me write directly from what was read in mass today. And i Quote

" Another Argument goes like this: As wrong as abortion is, I don't think it is the only relevant life issue that should be considered when deciding for whom to vote............Being "right" on taxes, education, health care, immigration and the economy fails to make up for the error of disregarding the value of a human life............It is a tragic irony that "pro-choice" candidates have come to support homicide - the gravest injustice a society can tolerate - in the name of "social justice"...................While the church assists the State in the promotion of a just society, its primary concern is to assist men and women to achieving salvation. For this reason, it is incumbent upon bishops to correct Catholics who are in error regarding these matters. Furthermore, public officials who are catholic and who persist in public support for abortion and other intrinsic evils should not partake in or be admitted to the sacrament of Holy Communion. As I have said before, I will be Vigilant on this subject. "

That is just parts of the letter that was read from Bishop Martino, lets not talk about all the other things my priest choice to add.

How can you tell me that they aren't using abortion as a political statement? How does this not have a hidden agenda ?

[weluvpa]

Originally Posted by littlebunnie69

I wonder weluvpa did you go to mass this weekend? Do you actually know what was read outloud?

HUmm lets see let me write directly from what was read in mass today. And i Quote

" Another Argument goes like this: As wrong as abortion is, I don't think it is the only relevant life issue that should be considered when deciding for whom to vote............Being "right" on taxes, education, health care, immigration and the economy fails to make up for the error of disregarding the value of a human life............It is a tragic irony that "pro-choice" candidates have come to support homicide - the gravest injustice a society can tolerate - in the name of "social justice"...................While the church assists the State in the promotion of a just society, its primary concern is to assist men and women to achieving salvation. For this reason, it is incumbent upon bishops to correct Catholics who are in error regarding these matters. Furthermore, public officials who are catholic and who persist in public support for abortion and other intrinsic evils should not partake in or be admitted to the sacrament of Holy Communion. As I have said before, I will be Vigilant on this subject. "

How can you tell me that they aren't using abortion as a political statement? How does this not have a hidden agenda ?

That seems to pretty much the Catholic stance on abortion......I didn't say that you shouldn't take your child to the mass.....What I said was that basically you cannot be angry that a priest is discussing the directives of the catholic church and abortion.

Are you surprised that the Catholic church has an agenda?

Are you surprised that Catholic church is using abortion as an issue to further its agenda?

Seriously after all thats been going on in the church over the last few years I cannot believe that you are surprised......

No I did not go to mass today...........

[Jungle George]

This thread is a prime example of why I am so happy NOT to belong to any "organized" religious organization!! There is no priest or minister or rabbi or imam or bishop or pope on earth who knows what's in our hearts...only God knows.

I always try to stay out of discussions of religion 'cause (in my opinion) there's NO single way to God & NO single belief as the ONLY right way!! My "church" is in the great outdoors that God created, & that is where I pray & meditate (I even built a grotto in the jungle as a place to worship in my own way).

Religion is of God. Religious organizations are of man & thus subject to the imperfection & agendas of man. Agendas of man divide people as opposed to uniting people. But we all have our own personal journey, & I always liken God to the pinnacle of a mountain....there are many paths to the top of that mountain, some easier...some harder....BUT they all end up at the same place.

Now did I wax philosophical or what!!??!!

[NYRangers 2008]

I would say I don't belong to any one religion. It's not about religion, it's about having a relationship with God, which we all do in our own way. I have no problem with a priest or bishop re-stating the Catholic beliefs. Everyone knows abortion is wrong in the eyes of the Catholic Church, so this should come as no surprise to anyone. And when he mentions who not to vote for, just roll with and make your own decision and leave it at that. No need to create a big stir out of nothing.

[lialleycat]

Originally Posted by Jungle George

Religion is of God. Religious organizations are of man & thus subject to the imperfection & agendas of man.

Well said. It is the imperfection of man that has ruined religion IMHO. As for me and my house, we will serve G-d, not our local religious leaders. I don't need anyone to interpret G-d's word for me and tell me what they believe it to mean.

[fopt65]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/us...a1&oref=slogin

Paul,
Will you be crusading against all of these churches/denominations who want to be able to endorse candidiates without losing their tax exempt status as well, or is it just a boycot against the Catholic church and any church who doesn't support your candidate?

Not meaning to be "combative", but was curious if you felt the ban on endorsing from the pulpit should be followed by all.

[Jackie2008]

I'm a Roman Catholic and while I'm not a fan of Bishop Martino's, this subject, abortion, was going to be mentioned at every Catholic Church across America this weekend, as today is Respect Life Sunday in the Catholic Church. Maybe it was mentioned in different degrees in different Catholic Churches, but, this is not the first time that abortion and the general election have been talked about in the churches in the Diocese of Scranton, although you'd swear it was. Bishop Timlin for years had written letters to be read on Respect Life Sunday. No candidate was mentioned, but it is quite obvious who stands for what. And if you are Cathoiic, you know the teachings of the church, so, yes, I didn't need the bishop telling me who to vote for. But, politics became involved in this issue in 1973. Martino, like Timlin, and I'm sure other bishops, have mentioned this issue in an election year, in, gee , of all places, the church. Not in a school, restaurant, but the church. Yes, this is America and as God gave us free will, you have a right to choose how to vote and what to do, but Martino was just stating well-known doctrine, just like Timlin did before him.

[I LOVE PA!]

weluvpa....I don't know which Catholic Church you go to, but not one of them that I have attended in my 48 years of being a Catholic have I ever heard of 'Sunday School.' Many topics are often discussed that should not be discussed in the presence of children in my opinion. What to do about it?? I really don't know.

We were given a written copy of the 'sermon' to follow along while the Priest read.... there was NO MENTION of who to vote for. There was a lot mentioned besides abortion, and all of which neither Presidential candidate has any control over. (contraception being one thing mentioned)
I personally prayed to myself to drown out the 'sermon'.

The priest also made it clear by reading the Bishops' instructions, that this letter was to be read IN PLACE of a homily, so if your priest added his own two cents...well....he wasn't listening to the Boss!

Lastly....and I'm not disclosing my stance on the subject...but here is a question to the pro-lifers...
if your 12 year old daughter was gang raped and became pregnant, you would, without a doubt, have her give birth to that baby? Oh...another question....would you be willing to open your home to a teen who has been kicked out of her home because she is pregnant....see her through the birth, assist her in making a life for her and her baby????