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gordon a. cronin · 10-05-2008, 10:01 PM

my own personal belief is that any church (religion or belief system) which does not allow for full freedom of conscience cannot be a true religion.

Jungle George · 10-06-2008, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by I LOVE PA!

weluvpa....I don't know which Catholic Church you go to, but not one of them that I have attended in my 48 years of being a Catholic have I ever heard of 'Sunday School.' Many topics are often discussed that should not be discussed in the presence of children in my opinion. What to do about it?? I really don't know.

We were given a written copy of the 'sermon' to follow along while the Priest read.... there was NO MENTION of who to vote for. There was a lot mentioned besides abortion, and all of which neither Presidential candidate has any control over. (contraception being one thing mentioned)
I personally prayed to myself to drown out the 'sermon'.

The priest also made it clear by reading the Bishops' instructions, that this letter was to be read IN PLACE of a homily, so if your priest added his own two cents...well....he wasn't listening to the Boss!

Lastly....and I'm not disclosing my stance on the subject...but here is a question to the pro-lifers...
if your 12 year old daughter was gang raped and became pregnant, you would, without a doubt, have her give birth to that baby? Oh...another question....would you be willing to open your home to a teen who has been kicked out of her home because she is pregnant....see her through the birth, assist her in making a life for her and her baby????

A few weeks back, we were going to the mall & outside was a crowd of pro-lifers with their handouts & signs.

My partner (who is not known for his fear of opening mouth, stating his opinion or using expletives

) simply asked them (after they heckled us & tried to bar our way into the mall

) "how many kids have you adopted"??

THEN came the expletives 'cause they just wouldn't leave us alone or let us just go into the mall!!!

It wasn't pretty!!!

Mr Yuk · 10-06-2008, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ScranBarre

I'm Protestant. I'm pro-life. I'm still voting for Sen. Obama. Why? Call me "selfish" if you wish, but I feel as if our impending recession, quagmire in Iraq, rising energy prices, global warming, etc. all take precedence over abortion. This really sickens me because as I said earlier even one of the elderly women WNEP interviewed was just like a sheep being led to slaughter with her swooning for the bishop. Thanks to him that's one more vote for Sen. McCain. I'm going to join the growing movement to revoke the tax-exempt status of the Roman Catholic church. It's one thing to say "abortion is evil." It's another thing entirely to conclude with, more or less, a coercive "keep that in mind that this is your moral obligation as you head to the polls so that you can touch the screen for the right candidate."

The Church has the right to advocate for issues it believes in. Just because you don't agree with those issues does not mean they cannot remind the parishioners of what the Catholic Church stands for. Anyone who doesn't like what the Church teaches isn't forced be Catholic.

Anyway, where's all the "tolerance" you liberals like spout off about? Liberals omly like tolerance of their own beliefs....they have very little tolerance for beleifs other than their own...especially socially conservative beliefs....they hate the traditional family and anything respecting the unborn. You want Adam and Steve to be able to get married, but God forbid the Catholic Church preaches on one of its central beliefs.

Mr Yuk · 10-06-2008, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by gordon a. cronin

my own personal belief is that any church (religion or belief system) which does not allow for full freedom of conscience cannot be a true religion.

My own personal belief is a church that doesn't stand for something isn't a true religion. You know the old saying: "you have to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything..." If a religion does not have a definite set of beliefs, what's the point of being a part of it?

Mr Yuk · 10-06-2008, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jungle George

My partner (who is not known for his fear of opening mouth, stating his opinion or using expletives

) simply asked them (after they heckled us & tried to bar our way into the mall

) "how many kids have you adopted"??

I don't get it....just because someone belives that unborn babies should not be slaughtered means that they have to adopt those kids? I also don't think that kids should be hit, doesn that mean I need to adopt those kids too? I also think that banks shouldn't be robbed....should I have to go and provide security services for them?

Jungle George · 10-06-2008, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by go phillies

I don't get it....just because someone belives that unborn babies should not be slaughtered means that they have to adopt those kids? I also don't think that kids should be hit, doesn that mean I need to adopt those kids too? I also think that banks shouldn't be robbed....should I have to go and provide security services for them?

Uh...we also do not believe in the "slaughter" of unborn babies needlessly, but we DO believe in abortion in the circumstance of rape or medical emergency. This involves choice, not making ALL abortion illegal.

This is a circular argument that will never sway either side to the other & is a waste of time IMO. The crux of the post I made is "why are these Catholics (or whomever they were) outside of a public mall pushing their beliefs at anyone just trying to get into the mall to shop"??

They actually ended up being a hindrance & just plain annoyance in a public area & did nothing for their cause IMO.

wowbaby · 10-06-2008, 06:53 AM

i come from a very religious family, and believe me when i tell you, every church affiliation that my family is a part of (baptist, assembly of God, and "independant") is pushing mccain from their pulpits. this isnt just a catholic phenom....

*disclaimer - not saying that EVERY church from these denominations are doing it, but the churches that my family members attend, ARE.

SteelCityRising · 10-06-2008, 07:14 AM

"Go Philles," I'm expected to have tolerance for those who believe they are above the laws established by the IRS? As an aspiring accountant I should hope you are not admitting to the forum that you take the Internal Revenue Code with a grain of salt.

Mr Yuk · 10-06-2008, 07:16 AM

Personally, I think the choices for president stink this year. We have Barack "Infanticide" Obama and John "Bombs Away" McCain. I think I'll vote for Homer Simpson.

Mr Yuk · 10-06-2008, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ScranBarre

"Go Philles," I'm expected to have tolerance for those who believe they are above the laws established by the IRS? As an aspiring accountant I should hope you are not admitting to the forum that you take the Internal Revenue Code with a grain of salt.

There was no violation of the tax code. No candidates name was mentioned...the CHURCH IS ALLOWED TO ADVOCATE FOR ITS BELIEFS!! I'll bet if there was was a church or a priest or minister pushing for gay rights you'd be all for it. You're just upset because the Church disagrees with you. Just because a priest or bishop's homily may stray to one end of the political spectrum or another does not mean he is actively campaigning for a candidate. If he had mentioned either candidate by name, you would be right. But he didn't so you are wrong.

Anyways, do you think there are not liberal clergy out there advocating their beliefs? Go to a UCC or and Episcopal church and I'm sure you will find clergy out there stumping from the pulpit for their left-leaning beliefs...