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Old 11-05-2008, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Polish Hill, Pittsburgh, PA
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WHAT does his name have to do with anything? Are you insinuating that because his name is Obama, because it "sounds like" Osama, that he must have ties to terrorism? This level of ignorance truly astounds me.
I agree. How SUPERFICIAL! I'm ugly. Would that be a reason to not vote for me too?!
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Tunkhannock
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Default I am sure everything will work out with Obama..

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Of course I won't yell at you. You're the rare McCain supporter that I respect now because you didn't flood City-Data last night with swearing, anger, resentment, boo-hissing, hissy-fits, name-calling, jabs, etc. I swear it's like watching Southerners get exorcisms on the Politics & Other Controversies forum! SHEESH!
I was torn between both of them. I think Obama just may do a good job!

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Old 11-05-2008, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Scranton
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Exactly Dan. We say we need change, but is this the change we need? Sometimes change for changes sake, isn't always good. I have a bad feeling about this. I can't believe this country is going to have a President named Obama. It sounds like he should be president of some Middle East country. Have we not forgot about 9/11? I'll give him a chance, but in my opinion don't think he's the answer. He's a socialist and his views are too left-wing for me. I just can't get excited about his election to President of the U.S. And you can't really blame Bush for the economy, like Dan said, the economy goes up and down all of the time. Let's see if Obama really does he what he said he was going to do. The jury is still out for me.

Yea, i'm having a hard time with a U.S President named Barack Hussein Obama, just having a hard time with that one, but i will give him a chance and hopefully he will do half the things he said he's going to do. I don't see how, this country is in such a mess, it's going to take more than 4 yrs to clean it up.
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Drama Central
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Where'd you hear this? I'm no historian, but as I remember it from history class, both sides were deeply engaged in island-hopping battles in an attempt for naval control of the Pacific, and neither could have staged an invasion with that going on.
Just for the record the Japenese did invade the United States during WWII.....

It was called the Aleutian Island Campaign in Alaska......

Also here is a quote from Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto -

“You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”



Also I am not bitter because I did not oppose or support Obama, but yes I do cling to my rights as a resident of PA and citizen of the USA to carry, own and use firearms.


Here is a link to Obama about his stance on gun control issues....ontheissues.org

Seems to me that he wants to ban or heavily restrict our 2nd Amendment rights.

Look beyond the guns and please try to see the issue at its heart...

Banning or restricting our constitutional rights whether its the 1st, 4th or 5th Amendment is wrong and you cannot justify your stance by using guns as answer because its not about the guns as much as it is about OUR RIGHTS TO HAVE THEM!
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Scranton native, now in upstate NY
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Exactly Dan. We say we need change, but is this the change we need? Sometimes change for changes sake, isn't always good. I have a bad feeling about this. I can't believe this country is going to have a President named Obama. It sounds like he should be president of some Middle East country. Have we not forgot about 9/11? I'll give him a chance, but in my opinion don't think he's the answer. He's a socialist and his views are too left-wing for me. I just can't get excited about his election to President of the U.S. And you can't really blame Bush for the economy, like Dan said, the economy goes up and down all of the time. Let's see if Obama really does he what he said he was going to do. The jury is still out for me.

What does his name have to do with anything? This is a country of immigrants; the only people who have been here for any length of time are Native Americans and even they came from other places originally.
Obama's father was not from the Middle East, but from Kenya. And if Obama's father had been from the Middle East, why would that matter? It isn't as if being from the Middle East automatically makes someone responsible for or supportive of the 9/11 attacks!

Also, Obama is not a socialist. Sometimes these terms get used so freely that we forget what they actually mean.

Anyway, I'm glad that the jury is still out for you, NYRangers 2008. I hope that you will put your "bad feeling" aside and give Obama a chance.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Northern Wayne Co, PA
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And if Obama's father had been from the Middle East, why would that matter? It isn't as if being from the Middle East automatically makes someone responsible for or supportive of the 9/11 attacks!
I think you said it mbs7...what's the problem in being from the Middle East?

I think most people in the Middle East would rather hug you than hurt you.

It really disappoints me when I hear someone hating an entire group of people based on their impressions of just a few. That whole way of thinking should be over with by this point in history. Everybody who is still hanging on to that kind of thinking, start having thoughts that are your own, based on the life experiences you create for yourself, not thoughts fed to you from the well of groupthink.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Drama Central
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I think most people in the Middle East would rather hug you than hurt you.

It really disappoints me when I hear someone hating an entire group of people based on their impressions of just a few. That whole way of thinking should be over with by this point in history. Everybody who is still hanging on to that kind of thinking, start having thoughts that are your own, based on the life experiences you create for yourself, not thoughts fed to you from the well of groupthink.
Have you ever been to the Middle East? Have you ever been to a muslim country as an American? If not then your comment about hugs vs hurt is off base and the same as someone that includes them all in one group....

And yes for the record I have lived in Israel and traveled in Egypt and Jordan...
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:10 PM
 
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I agree. How SUPERFICIAL! I'm ugly. Would that be a reason to not vote for me too?!
I would vote for you for being suave............
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Old 11-05-2008, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Polish Hill, Pittsburgh, PA
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I would vote for you for being suave............
Why thank you! I'd vote for you for turning me on to those awesome sweet potato fries!
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Old 11-05-2008, 07:08 PM
 
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The "Muslim" thing is just another facet of what I call "people's comfort zones".

Everybody has a different "zone" based on the values they were taught, the prejudices they learned & the behaviors they were exposed to in formative years that they now view as "normal". If Obama's name was Ben Johnson nobody would care!! (except to make penis jokes using the "Johnson" part )

If someone is brought up around Muslims, they are "familiar" & therefore "fit" in the "comfort zone". If someone is brought up around gays, they are "familiar" & therefore "fit" in the "comfort zone". If someone is brought up around African Americans, they are "familiar" & therefore "fit" in the "comfort zone". The variations are endless & unique to each person.

The immigrants that came to the U.S. usually formed a clique of the same ethnicity & lived in the same neighborhood: Italians with Italians, Polish with Polish, etc. Thus when an Irishman entered a Jewish neighborhood, or a Chinese man entered an Italian neighborhood (for examples), he was viewed with fear, contempt & disdain because he was "different" & didn't "fit" into those people's "comfort zones".

Now that we are becoming more & more culturally diverse, these prejudices are slowly dissipating, but they are still present & form a percentage of what shapes our lives & votes.

Whenever we are exposed to something outside of our "comfort zone" & unfamiliar, there is fear of the unknown. Fear of the unknown breeds hatred, distrust & a whole slew of negativity.

Negativity breeds bigotry, intolerance, ridicule & sometimes violence.

I hope that Obama's being elected will continue to chip away at the intolerance & bigotry that is still hanging on in our country, but it's really up to the individual to go outside of their own "comfort zone" & educate themselves & thus learn that we ALL are the same, no matter our differences, & that if we cannot live & work together & try to eradicate this fear of the unknown, we will stagnate or worse.

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