11-06-2008, 04:12 AM
Location: Sheeptown, USA
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So then you agree that we should all have the right buy tanks, surface-to-air missiles, and machine guns?
No, but I don't agree with limiting or restricting our constitutional rights either.
11-06-2008, 05:00 AM
Location: Northern Wayne Co, PA
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Have you ever been to the Middle East? Have you ever been to a muslim country as an American? If not then your comment about hugs vs hurt is off base and the same as someone that includes them all in one group....
Not that it helps to engage you when you're trying to dismiss other people's opinions, but since this is an important point to me, I'll indulge myself...I have been to the middle east...and I have a number of close friends who grew up in the middle east. I have also been to many other countries in the world, as you have, which I know from you telling us about all the time, and my experience has always been that no matter where I am, people are kind, generous, and open-hearted. In my experience, I have not felt threatened or hated anywhere I have traveled in the world including the middle east, south america, europe, or africa.
11-06-2008, 05:07 AM
Location: Sheeptown, USA
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Not that it helps to engage you when you're trying to dismiss other people's opinions, but since this is an important point to me, I'll indulge myself...I have been to the middle east...and I have a number of close friends who grew up in the middle east. I have also been to many other countries in the world, as you have, which I know from you telling us about all the time, and my experience has always been that no matter where I am, people are kind, generous, and open-hearted. In my experience, I have not felt threatened or hated anywhere I have traveled in the world including the middle east, south america, europe, or africa.
I have never been to France, but I have heard from numerous people, including Dan, that they hate us and view us as "the ugly American". And I don't believe people in the Middle East care for us either or our Western ways. I'm not saying it's fact, just my feeling.
11-06-2008, 05:14 AM
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No, but I don't agree with limiting or restricting our constitutional rights either.
How is not being able to buy a tank/missile/nuke not a limit on the right to bear arms?
11-06-2008, 05:17 AM
Location: Sheeptown, USA
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How is not being able to buy a tank/missile/nuke not a limit on the right to bear arms?
Come on, you know it's not realistic to buy a tank or a missile. That wasn't the point. It was about restricting our rights and freedoms, which I feel that Obama will do.
11-06-2008, 05:57 AM
Location: Drama Central
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MermanMike
Not that it helps to engage you when you're trying to dismiss other people's opinions, but since this is an important point to me, I'll indulge myself...I have been to the middle east...and I have a number of close friends who grew up in the middle east. I have also been to many other countries in the world, as you have, which I know from you telling us about all the time, and my experience has always been that no matter where I am, people are kind, generous, and open-hearted. In my experience, I have not felt threatened or hated anywhere I have traveled in the world including the middle east, south america, europe, or africa.
I guess that I did not recieve the same hugs that you did while I was in the Middle East in 2000........Neither did the USS Cole. I wasn't dismissing your opinion but find it based on my experiences in the middle east to not be true.......You obviously had a different experience then I did thats for sure..
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11-06-2008, 05:59 AM
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I have never been to France, but I have heard from numerous people, including Dan, that they hate us and view us as "the ugly American". And I don't believe people in the Middle East care for us either or our Western ways. I'm not saying it's fact, just my feeling.
Yet I know of a lotta people who have been to France & 1 that lives in France, & yes, in Paris there is some anti-American feelings (why I don't know), but in the countryside & other cities (which is 9/10 of the country of France) the people are friendly & pro-American.
Again, we can't paint with a broad brush & judge countless people & their lives by the feelings of a few in the process!!
That seems to be what is happening with the Muslim community.
11-06-2008, 06:04 AM
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So then you agree that we should all have the right buy tanks, surface-to-air missiles, and machine guns?
We actually have the right to buy a tank and you can purchase one from surplus collectors or gov't repair and parts facilities. I think the main battery gun has to be spiked though. I'm not sure about missiles.
Machine guns again are legally able to be purchased in this country in full auto but you have to wait about 3 months, pay $250 to the feds plus the cost of the gun (not cheap). Go thru extensive background check and I think a brief psych examine but you can buy it... You can also purchase silencers for handguns or rifles if you a have a need for one.
So its not we should be able to buy them, but that WE CAN BUY THEM.......And that is exactly what I want to protect.
11-06-2008, 06:10 AM
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We actually have the right to buy a tank and you can purchase one from surplus collectors or gov't repair and parts facilities. I think the main battery gun has to be spiked though. I'm not sure about missiles.
So you can't get a tank ready for combat. That's a limit on your right to bear arms.
Edit: so the question is: do you think that people should be able to purchase any and all forms of arms, or do you agree in some limits on the right to bear arms? It's one or the other, and you previously said you're against *all* limits to these rights.
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11-06-2008, 06:13 AM
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I have never been to France, but I have heard from numerous people, including Dan, that they hate us and view us as "the ugly American".
A true story to highlight the "ugly American" quote...
One of the times I was in Barbados with the band we were sitting down to eat at a fancy restaurant on the beach. At the table next to us was 4 people, obviously a husband/wife & their 2 teenage children.
We shared the same waitress who was a teenaged girl & very soft-spoken & nice & polite.
She brought the other table's food & all I heard was the husband scream out "I didn't order this sh*t you stupid ni**er"!!
The waitress was in tears & I jumped up immediately & tore into the idiot!! The manager came over & they were thrown out!!
If scenes like this one happen overseas & the stories told by people like this waitress are "broad-painted" by those that hear & re-tell the story, can you see how the view of "the ugly American" perpetuates? Like us believing that ALL of the French are anti-American...
Unfortunately it's a 2-way street.
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People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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That seems to be what is happening with the Muslim community.
