Did Taxes Drop In NEPA??

[DE_NePA]

can you get nyc to loosen up their gun controls a little too.... we just heard our permits may not be valid outside of city limits except when hunting

Why would a New York City permit for anything ever be valid outside of...New York City?

[mathjak107]

Originally Posted by DE_NePA

can you get nyc to loosen up their gun controls a little too.... we just heard our permits may not be valid outside of city limits except when hunting

Why would a New York City permit for anything ever be valid outside of...New York City?

its a new york state issued permit .. the city merely puts their own restrictions on the state permit.... all permits are regulated by the state and the courts have maintained that localities are free to adjust to their needs..

its a little confusing but new york city used to use a full carry permit and restrict it to target and hunting shooting.... problem was in the eyes of the state it was still a carry and so if you got caught carrying with a restricted permit it was only a mis-use of permit not a crime

so in the early 90's they switched us all to a residence permit. the residance permit in state law allows you to keep a firearm at home but you are restricted to going to a range to 2x a month with written authorization from nypd.

heres the rub, the police commisioner gave every residence permit a little note issued by him that says you can go anywhere in ny state to hunt or to ranges in the 5 boroughs as ofton as you like not just 2x a month and without written authorization or to a nyc approved range elsewhere in the state. they just have no idea what constitutes a nyc approved range outside of the city.

thats in contrary to state law which says differently. problem is there are no listed nyc approved ranges out of nyc.

so far no one from nyc has been challenged out of the area at any range in the state but non the less we are technically in adminastrative violation of our permit restrictions

[mathjak107]

Originally Posted by DE_NePA

You've now gone from saying it is right and need not change to saying it would be hard to change. Do you still think it is right? The first step toward change is feeling that change is needed.

i hate taxes period , of any sort but being its a fact of life and sooooooooooo complex they are better off leaving the current set up alone and use tax credits and assistance programs to help where needed... its impossible to say what effects changing the current tax system would have else where. as an example suppose they stopped considering your home a seperate entity of real property which in the eyes of the law is a seperate breathing living asset unto itsellf when put in a trust; and now you couldnt put it in a trust for your heirs. it may run as much as 10% of the value to run it thru probate and take as long as a year before your kids can get it, its zero in a trust now


its very complex. dont forget in an irravocable trust you give up all rights and control so you really dont even own the house the trust does so whos income would you use?

[DE_NePA]

Originally Posted by mathjak107

its a new york state issued permit .. the city merely puts their own restrictions on the state permit.... all permits are regulated by the state and the courts have maintained that localities are free to adjust to their needs..

its a little confusing but new york city used to use a full carry permit and restrict it to target and hunting shooting.... problem was in the eyes of the state it was still a carry and so if you got caught carrying with a restricted permit it was only a mis-use of permit not a crime

so in the early 90's they switched us all to a residence permit. the residance permit in state law allows you to keep a firearm at home but you are restricted to going to a range to 2x a month with written authorization from nypd.

heres the rub, the police commisioner gave every residence permit a little note issued by him that says you can go anywhere in ny state to hunt or to ranges in the 5 boroughs as ofton as you like not just 2x a month and without written authorization or to a nyc approved range elsewhere in the state. they just have no idea what constitutes a nyc approved range outside of the city.

thats in contrary to state law which says differently. problem is there are no listed nyc approved ranges out of nyc.

so far no one from nyc has been challenged out of the area at any range in the state but non the less we are technically in adminastrative violation of our permit restrictions

That's a mess of legislative one upsmanship. DE has a state permit to own, I haven't looked into a carry permit, but they are available. I know certain states have reciprocative agreements.
Bottom line is, if I could not avoid being the area that makes me need feel the need to carry, I'd carry. Permit or no permit. If you feel your life is in danger, any law that restricts your ability to defend yourself should be meaningless at that point in time. Yes, there might be repurcussions later, but you'd be alive to fight them.

[mathjak107]

as they say, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6

[mathjak107]

"quote , the reality is someone taxed out of their home is no different than an evicted tenant who cant afford the rent or having your power turned off because you cant pay the bill or afford groceries.
It absolutely is not. Occupying a property owned by someone else is consuming, and compensation commensurate with the value of occupancy is due the owner. Using electricity is consuming, and compensation commensurate with the value of the power is due the producer and deliverer of the power. Eating food that someone else produced is consuming, and compensation commensurate with the value of that delivered food is due the producer and deliverer.
Purchasing a home is consuming, and compensation is due the previous owner. Taxes pay for government services. Simply owning a home is not consuming any service from the government.
Take your head out of the system, and the tax code, and the way things are, and the loopholes that might hurt or benefit one particular person in thier own unique circumstance, and consider the basic tenet. The grocer doesn't ask you how much your house is worth in figuring the value of your groceries, neither does the power utility, or the airline. Only the local government and school district bases the value of what it provides on the worth of your home. It is an unfair, antiquated system with its basis the age of feudalism, and many states have done away with it. PA should, too." quote





actually you were right about everything being based on the cost of production or cost of being brought to market but when you got to the house you missed the point that the taxes on your property are the same as your other examples, the taxes are based on the costs of your community and their expenses, and so they tax you based on not your value of income but a formula for taxing your property, which again real property is considered a seperate enity . while yes they could have applied the formula to your income it would be very difficult in alot of cases.

whos income in a trust, whos income in a partnership ,whos income if owned by a corporation, whos income in a reit . if retired but wealthey then what? trusts would vanish, everything would have to be probated and with that volume take years to inheirit. it would be far to complex to re-write history


as you see real property is very deeply rooted into other things and not a simple case like adjusting sales tax would be

[mathjak107]

AT this point think of it as telling the guy who built the brooklyn bridge , its nice but can you move it 2" to the left