Schuylkill County: The most racist, backwards county in America? (Pottsville: school, college)

[The Commish]

Originally Posted by GiantRutgersfan

I dont know exactly what happened, and neither does anyone else. But I am not gonna trust a child molester and illegal immigrant over these guys.

This statement is ignorant, racist nativism at its worst. You're going to "trust" two kids whose friends identified one of them as delivering a fatal blow to the head with his foot (and whose friends already pleaded guilty to violating his civil rights and who authorities say were yelling racial epithets during the fight) over someone just because he's a non-citizen and is engaged to a 14 year old. My god that is ugly.

[greentown]

Originally Posted by Hopes

It's okay to kill someone who doesn't walk away?

I see you're a representation of the jury pool in the area.

No where in my post did I say that it is OK to kill anyone under any circumstances. In this case, the victim had the choice to walk away, used poor judgement and did not, and unfortunately is now dead. The point is that there was not sufficient EVIDENCE to show that the two boys on trial committed the crime in question. Justice was served.

I have never been able to serve on a jury yet, but I am most definitely proud to be someone who can look at facts before I jump to conclusions based on a few media stories and I certainly hope that there are many others that can do the same.

[The Commish]

Originally Posted by greentown

No where in my post did I say that it is OK to kill anyone under any circumstances. In this case, the victim had the choice to walk away, used poor judgement and did not, and unfortunately is now dead. The point is that there was not sufficient EVIDENCE to show that the two boys on trial committed the crime in question. Justice was served.

The prosecution had eyewitnesses testifying that Piekarsky delivered the fatal blow to the head. It's completely ridiculous to suggest there wasn't enough evidence to convict at least him of at least involuntary manslaughter. Instead they were only convicted of simple assault. I could punch Bishop Martino in the face and get the same result as these two murderers. It's insane.

[greentown]

Originally Posted by W-B proud

So... Greentown...if someone made a nasty comment to your son or daughter, and they decided to stand up for themselves...obviously then would deserve to be beaten and kicked to death by the person that made the comment? I suppose you would think this is justified if this happen to your son or daughter? That's insane!!!

#1 - My son or daughter will never be an illegal drug dealing immigrant in a country where they don't understand the language.

#2 - I have faith that I have taught my children enough about being aware of their surroundings that they would not be caught up in this type of situation.

And once again, you are ignoring the facts. Although they should bear some responsibility for the incident, I don't think it is justified that these kids should be convicted of murder without sufficent evidence. The fight in this case had ended. The victim is the one who ran after the group and restarted it and it ultimately led to his death. In my opinion, that's insane!!!!!

[greentown]

Originally Posted by The Commish

The prosecution had eyewitnesses testifying that Piekarsky delivered the fatal blow to the head. It's completely ridiculous to suggest there wasn't enough evidence to convict at least him of at least involuntary manslaughter. Instead they were only convicted of simple assault. I could punch Bishop Martino in the face and get the same result as these two murderers. It's insane.

And who were the "witnesses"? Could it be the other two boys that took a plea deal to get out of facing charges? One of those boys threw the initial punch that knocked the victim to the pavement, where he hit his head. Also, according the the ME report, it was not determined that the kick was the fatal blow.

[GiantRutgersfan]

Originally Posted by The Commish

This statement is ignorant, racist nativism at its worst. You're going to "trust" two kids whose friends identified one of them as delivering a fatal blow to the head with his foot (and whose friends already pleaded guilty to violating his civil rights and who authorities say were yelling racial epithets during the fight) over someone just because he's a non-citizen and is engaged to a 14 year old. My god that is ugly.

that is pedophilia brother. and yes, i will trust two kids over a pedophile illegal immigrant...

i dont care if some racial stuff gets said. that happens all the time and doesnt make you a racist...

[The Commish]

Originally Posted by greentown

And who were the "witnesses"? Could it be the other two boys that took a plea deal to get out of facing charges?

I didn't think good-old-boys would lie?

GiantRutgersFan seems to trust them enough. But only when it's Mexicans vs. Good Old Boys, it seems.

Originally Posted by GiantRutgersfan

that is pedophilia brother. and yes, i will trust two kids over a pedophile illegal immigrant...

It's statutory rape.

The APA defines pedophillia as sex with prepubescent children (or children 13 years or younger.)

Originally Posted by GiantRutgersfan

i dont care if some racial stuff gets said. that happens all the time and doesnt make you a racist...

...yes... it does.

[Hopes]

Originally Posted by greentown

And who were the "witnesses"? Could it be the other two boys that took a plea deal to get out of facing charges? One of those boys threw the initial punch that knocked the victim to the pavement, where he hit his head. Also, according the the ME report, it was not determined that the kick was the fatal blow.

I think it's rediculous that it matters which ONE kicked the fatal blow. It was a mob and the mob should have been charged and found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. ALL of the boys should have been charged. The fact they all weren't charged shouldn't have prevented the ones on trial from being found guilty of manslaughter.

[smalltowngirl12]

Originally Posted by The Commish

The prosecution had eyewitnesses testifying that Piekarsky delivered the fatal blow to the head. It's completely ridiculous to suggest there wasn't enough evidence to convict at least him of at least involuntary manslaughter. Instead they were only convicted of simple assault. I could punch Bishop Martino in the face and get the same result as these two murderers. It's insane.

Commish,

You would probably get a longer sentence than these two yahoo's.

[W-B proud]

Something tells me if this was the other way around and if it was a couple of Mexicans that kicked to death a white kid then you guys would have a completely different view of this outrageous verdict. This poor guy did nothing that deserved being beat to death...illegal immigrant or not. These kids should serve as much time as any other MURDERER.