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Old 05-10-2009, 06:20 PM
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Thanx for the website. My energy passion is fusion power.....solve all of our power needs for eons.....if we would do an "Apollo type approach". Fusion for electricity and Anthracite for heat. I am sure you are aware of the energy ineffeciencies of burning any fossil fuel for electricity. One third will be useable electrical current and fully two thirds waste heat...though co-generation done 2 times, may bring that effeciency to forty percent.Homes should be heated individually and NEVER use electricity as the aforementioned effeciencies also work in reverse when current is turned back into heat. VERT WASTEFUL!!!!
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For the most part the taxpayer is indirectly funding any cleanup through higher energy bills whether it's their personal bill or higher cost of products. Overall it's relatively minor amount.

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LOL, the best line I often here spoken is I'm polluting the planet only to find out they are heating with electric.

I run the numbers by them such as my boiler with is in the low 80% efficiency range. The AHS and Axemane-Anderson designs use what is called the anthratube design devloped after WW2 in attempt to help keep anthracite viable and get up to nearly 90%.

Bureau of Mines Report 4936 Axeman-Andersen Antratube Boiler - Coal Stokers: Boilers, Furnaces and Stoves
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For the most part the taxpayer is indirectly funding any cleanup through higher energy bills whether it's their personal bill or higher cost of products. Overall it's relatively minor amount.



LOL, the best line I often here spoken is I'm polluting the planet only to find out they are heating with electric.

I run the numbers by them such as my boiler with is in the low 80% efficiency range. The AHS and Axemane-Anderson designs use what is called the anthratube design devloped after WW2 in attempt to help keep anthracite viable and get up to nearly 90%.

Bureau of Mines Report 4936 Axeman-Andersen Antratube Boiler - Coal Stokers: Boilers, Furnaces and Stoves
I'll check out the website.....if people only knew...lol...heating with electricity is the hands down most ineffecient way to heat their house or factory...business...etc. I was not aware of these alternate ways to burn coal. Last I knew was a bed fluidization process pioneered at Penn State. So what is your stance on nuclear fission in the interim; until we can scale up (from proof of concept) nuclear fusion???
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And what about those old fashioned hot water and cast iron radiators. Even heat from a large thermal mass, which holds heat.The heat was "moist", you did not need humidifiers, and your skin...etc. did not dry out. People today just do not seem to like them as much... I think they had a bit of class to them like an old, but architecturally beautiful building....like many buildings in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.
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I was not aware of these alternate ways to burn coal.
It's not an alternative way but a different method. Stoker boilers are very efficient because of the design. They are insulated and not whole lot different than a regualr gas or oil fire boiler in their operation. The only real big difference in opertion is taking the ashes aout and putting coal on the auger. This an EFM bas that was modified for bituminous coal, it was sent out to for testing in Wyoming.


YouTube - Marks Supply Co. / EFM - Soft Coal Stoker - Video 1

Boiler sits on top of the base and the whole thing is insulated. The entire to is enclosed. The flue gases are forced out through flue vent more than half way down the unit. They go through a circuitous route to extact as much heat as possible. Typical flue pipe can be toucjhed with your bare hands if it's been idling for a while. They can't make them any more efficient unless they used some kind forced venting sytem. You still need some heat escaping to maintian a draft.

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So what is your stance on nuclear fission in the interim; until we can scale up (from proof of concept) nuclear fusion???
I'm gor anything that makes economic sense, currently we are spending far too much subsidizing for production like for ethanol, wind and solar as opposed to R&D.
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I'm ok with wind and solar power. However their aesthetics and impact on wildlife are questionable. Ethanol is a joke; that's why corn, hence food prices have increased so much. It takes more energy to produce ethanol than you get back out of it,if you factor in irrigation etc.
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Thanx for the information coalman....I am glad something is being done. I just worry about how it affects the areas image. I have visited,with friends who were first time tourists to the area.They already had that miner image in their minds and the culmn dumps reinforce the stereotype.They just take away some of the natural beauty of the area.
I don't think it hurts our areas image, it is a part of our history.

Maybe it is more interesting to me since my grandfather was killed in the mines before my mother was born. I could never imagine what my grandmother went through,when the mine collapsed and she was pregnant and alone.

Growing up, we had a pot belly stove in our living room that heated the whole house and a coal stove in the kitchen. I would love to have the old pot belly stove refurbished. Then when I was in FL, a couple of years ago, I found a small replica of a coal stove and just had to buy it. It is even made out of cast iron and I proudly display it in my kitchen. My Mom and Dad could not believe it when they saw it, they both told me how it looked just like the one we had in our kitchen, when I was a child.

Even when I go to Ashley and see the Huber Breaker, I always think it is a shame that it was just left to deteriorate. I would love to see that refurbished and used as a tourist attraction. (I know it would take a ton of money but I can dream!)

I have a lot of fond memories of playing, in the culmn bank in Exeter, as a child. Our Aunt lived right next to it and we would love to go to her house, just to play - even my Uncle would come out and play.
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I don't think it hurts our areas image, it is a part of our history.

Maybe it is more interesting to me since my grandfather was killed in the mines before my mother was born. I could never imagine what my grandmother went through,when the mine collapsed and she was pregnant and alone.

Growing up, we had a pot belly stove in our living room that heated the whole house and a coal stove in the kitchen. I would love to have the old pot belly stove refurbished. Then when I was in FL, a couple of years ago, I found a small replica of a coal stove and just had to buy it. It is even made out of cast iron and I proudly display it in my kitchen. My Mom and Dad could not believe it when they saw it, they both told me how it looked just like the one we had in our kitchen, when I was a child.

Even when I go to Ashley and see the Huber Breaker, I always think it is a shame that it was just left to deteriorate. I would love to see that refurbished and used as a tourist attraction. (I know it would take a ton of money but I can dream!)

I have a lot of fond memories of playing, in the culmn bank in Exeter, as a child. Our Aunt lived right next to it and we would love to go to her house, just to play - even my Uncle would come out and play.
I too played on the column banks in and around Pittston.I also agree a breaker or two should be preserved for history's sake....but I still think they hurt the areas image...especially if you are a first time visitor.And we all know that first impressions can count the most. lol.
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Here's one that might add to the scenery: Mid State Trail - PA287 to Blackwell @ PA Hikes.com

(it's in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Scranton, so that counts as NEPA, right??)
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Here's one that might add to the scenery: Mid State Trail - PA287 to Blackwell @ PA Hikes.com

(it's in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Scranton, so that counts as NEPA, right??)
Unless the diocese extends outside of Pennsylvania's borders,it must be N.E.PA.
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