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Unread 07-31-2009, 08:32 AM
 
Location: The Neighborhoods
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It has sadly! I'm all for a rip-roaring free flowing debate.

"Let's do dis." as the kiddos say.
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Unread 07-31-2009, 08:33 AM
 
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Agreed different countries have gone from 1 main language to multi... and look at the messes they are in... France, Germany ...even Canada for that matter...Ultra liberal = deep troubles ahead...
Again, We have lost sight of what our "melting pot" is supposed to be about!!!!
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Unread 07-31-2009, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Dallas, PA
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A country does not need one language. There are plenty of countries where 2, 3, or even 4 languages are spoken. It's not an issue.
It's not an issue? It most certainly IS an issue. Some facts:
  • The Canadian Government spends $24 per Canadian resident per year to do government business in both of the nation's official languages. If the U.S. was to spend $24 per person per year on government multilingualism, the cost would be $5.7 billion. (Source: Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages, Canada)
  • The total cost of providing multilingual services for the Immigration and Naturalization Service would be between $114 million and $150 million annually. (Source: U.S. Office of Management and Budget, Report to Congress: Assessment of the Total Benefits and Costs on Implementing Executive Order No. 13166: Improving Access to Services for Person with Limited English Proficiency, March 14, 2002)
  • It costs $1.86 million annually to prepare written translations for food stamp recipients nationwide. The cost for oral translations skyrocket to $21 million nationally per year. (Source: U.S. Office of Management and Budget, Report to Congress: Assessment of the Total Benefits and Costs of Implementing Executive Order No. 13166: Improving Access to Services for Person with Limited English Proficiency, March 14, 2002)
  • 79 percent of Americans, and 81 percent of first and second generation Americans favor making English the official language of the United States. Majority support for official English was recorded among every subgroup, including age, gender, race, and political affiliation. (Source: Zogby International, June 2005)
[source: US-English.org]

..........So this is clearly an issue.
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Unread 07-31-2009, 09:05 AM
 
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A country does not need one language.
Being able to communicate with your fellow countrymen is not a problem?

Let me give you a real world example, A Spanish only speaking husband is working in the basement and unbeknown to him he accidentally mixes two chemicals that cause a toxic vapor. Now these chemicals do not have an immediate effect and he goes upstairs, shortly afterward he begins having convulsions and falls over. The emergency response team arrives and one of the first things they are going to ask is what was he doing and where was he prior this happening. Since the wife can't speak English she has no clue what they asking and the husband might die because of lack of information.

Situations similar to this play out every day in this country.
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Unread 07-31-2009, 09:28 AM
 
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Agreed different countries have gone from 1 main language to multi... and look at the messes they are in... France, Germany ...even Canada for that matter...Ultra liberal = deep troubles ahead...
Again, We have lost sight of what our "melting pot" is supposed to be about!!!!

What troubles???
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Unread 07-31-2009, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Lake Ariel
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It's not an issue? It most certainly IS an issue. Some facts:
  • The Canadian Government spends $24 per Canadian resident per year to do government business in both of the nation's official languages. If the U.S. was to spend $24 per person per year on government multilingualism, the cost would be $5.7 billion. (Source: Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages, Canada)
  • The total cost of providing multilingual services for the Immigration and Naturalization Service would be between $114 million and $150 million annually. (Source: U.S. Office of Management and Budget, Report to Congress: Assessment of the Total Benefits and Costs on Implementing Executive Order No. 13166: Improving Access to Services for Person with Limited English Proficiency, March 14, 2002)
  • It costs $1.86 million annually to prepare written translations for food stamp recipients nationwide. The cost for oral translations skyrocket to $21 million nationally per year. (Source: U.S. Office of Management and Budget, Report to Congress: Assessment of the Total Benefits and Costs of Implementing Executive Order No. 13166: Improving Access to Services for Person with Limited English Proficiency, March 14, 2002)
  • 79 percent of Americans, and 81 percent of first and second generation Americans favor making English the official language of the United States. Majority support for official English was recorded among every subgroup, including age, gender, race, and political affiliation. (Source: Zogby International, June 2005)
[source: US-English.org]

..........So this is clearly an issue.
Great post! I tried to rep ya but they wouldnt let me !!

As far as the guy that got pulled over for the sign. I have mixed feelings on this: The guy shouldnt of gotten a ticker because of freedom of speece but I dont like what the sign said, IMO. Sometimes thoughts like that should be kept to oneself.

There are people that live here all their lives and dont learn the language. That IMO is wrong. They should attempt to learn english. Though there are older people that also come to this country and they have a difficult time learning the language. We have to understand that and shouldnt group everyone (which that sign does) as not wanting to speak our language.
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Unread 07-31-2009, 09:31 AM
 
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It's not an issue? It most certainly IS an issue. Some facts:
  • The Canadian Government spends $24 per Canadian resident per year to do government business in both of the nation's official languages. If the U.S. was to spend $24 per person per year on government multilingualism, the cost would be $5.7 billion. (Source: Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages, Canada)
  • The total cost of providing multilingual services for the Immigration and Naturalization Service would be between $114 million and $150 million annually. (Source: U.S. Office of Management and Budget, Report to Congress: Assessment of the Total Benefits and Costs on Implementing Executive Order No. 13166: Improving Access to Services for Person with Limited English Proficiency, March 14, 2002)
  • It costs $1.86 million annually to prepare written translations for food stamp recipients nationwide. The cost for oral translations skyrocket to $21 million nationally per year. (Source: U.S. Office of Management and Budget, Report to Congress: Assessment of the Total Benefits and Costs of Implementing Executive Order No. 13166: Improving Access to Services for Person with Limited English Proficiency, March 14, 2002)
  • 79 percent of Americans, and 81 percent of first and second generation Americans favor making English the official language of the United States. Majority support for official English was recorded among every subgroup, including age, gender, race, and political affiliation. (Source: Zogby International, June 2005)
[source: US-English.org]

..........So this is clearly an issue.

First, statistics are funny things when it comes to polling because it depends on who is paying for it to be done and who they are polling. If you are polling mostly conservatives, you will get results like that, so it doesn't surprise me.

Second, most Canadians are happy with how their government and country is run - high taxes and all - so it is not an issue for them. I think they have different priorities than this country.
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Unread 07-31-2009, 09:32 AM
 
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Being able to communicate with your fellow countrymen is not a problem?

Let me give you a real world example, A Spanish only speaking husband is working in the basement and unbeknown to him he accidentally mixes two chemicals that cause a toxic vapor. Now these chemicals do not have an immediate effect and he goes upstairs, shortly afterward he begins having convulsions and falls over. The emergency response team arrives and one of the first things they are going to ask is what was he doing and where was he prior this happening. Since the wife can't speak English she has no clue what they asking and the husband might die because of lack of information.

Situations similar to this play out every day in this country.

This is why is it is so detrimental to us, as Americans, to not be bilingual. Most all other countries are bilingual so it isn't an issue if someone speaks a different language.
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Unread 07-31-2009, 09:34 AM
 
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There are people that live here all their lives and dont learn the language. That IMO is wrong. They should attempt to learn english. Though there are older people that also come to this country and they have a difficult time learning the language. We have to understand that and shouldnt group everyone (which that sign does) as not wanting to speak our language.
I completely and totally agree with you here Roxxy. English is one of the hardest (behind Chinese, Japanese and some African dialects) languages to learn. Our grammatical rules are the most difficult to learn. People assume that if they hear Polish immigrants conversing in their native language, they don't know English.
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Unread 07-31-2009, 09:36 AM
 
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What troubles???
If you have followed world events over the last several years you could not help seeing the problems with riots, problems with immigration , and division of the populations of these countries, the countries I mentioned are futrher along in their problems than we are, but we are headed down that road..A nation can not survive multi cultures
A nation divided among itself can not stand.
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