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Old 05-10-2010, 08:33 AM
 
Location: NEPA
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It could easily be argued that without the University buying properties, and either building new facilities or simply created green space that those areas would fall further into dilapidation. Everyone is concerned about Scranton's future as it relates to crime. My contention is that without the University cleaning up East Scranton piece by piece, you will see further decline of the area, thus lower values, and in turn an element of renters that add nothing to the area.

Lets be clear, a corporation is not moving into East Scranton and contributing to the tax base. The amount in wage taxes the city collects from employees of the school is worth noting.

The School is a financial boon to the area. This argument goes for Marywood, LJC and Commonwealth as well.

I never said a corporation was moving into East Scranton to contribute to the tax base. The U isn't really contributing either - they 'donate' funds because if they didn't the whole area would be up in arms.

The U is a drain on Scranton's resources. The same 'renters'/students don't contribute much. The students are not spending money in the area - the little bit they spend is at the local stores to sustain themselves is pocket change.

The amount of 'wage taxes' the city collects from the employees at the U - give me a break!! It's worth 'noting' sure but it's not floating the sinking Scranton ship.
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Old 05-10-2010, 08:40 AM
 
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I never said a corporation was moving into East Scranton to contribute to the tax base. The U isn't really contributing either - they 'donate' funds because if they didn't the whole area would be up in arms.

The U is a drain on Scranton's resources. The same 'renters'/students don't contribute much. The students are not spending money in the area - the little bit they spend is at the local stores to sustain themselves is pocket change.

The amount of 'wage taxes' the city collects from the employees at the U - give me a break!! It's worth 'noting' sure but it's not floating the sinking Scranton ship.
You're simply incorrect in your arguments.

Prove to me the lack in contributing...Perhaps you can somehow come up with an argument that makes all of the volunteer hours the students provide to the community go away.

The burden of proof is on you within this argument. You call Scranton a Sinking ship which i agree with if it were not for our institutions of Higher Education. It is our Universities that will keep Scranton above Water.

Lastly, it is a misconception that most of the landlords are out of town owners. I happen to know the three owners of the majority of Clay, Taylor and Vine Apts. Two are life long Dunmore residents and another is a Scranton Resident. So that rent money goes de-Facto back to the community.
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Old 05-10-2010, 09:34 AM
 
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"Prove to me the lack in contributing...Perhaps you can somehow come up with an argument that makes all of the volunteer hours the students provide to the community go away."

That doesnt put bread on the citys table.. screw that , show me the money!! Many other institutions of higher education contribute a good amount of CASH to their host communities.. our area colleges dont,, They are in for the free ride!
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Old 05-10-2010, 10:19 AM
 
Location: NE PA
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To put Da U's PILOT payment in perspective...Yale University contributes a $5.1 million PILOT payment every year to the city of New Haven. Yale has about exactly double the student population of Da U. So that $100,000 chump change Da U gives to Scranton pales in comparison. They should easily be giving more than $1 million every year to the city.

Trust me, Pilarz would still be able to eat his filet mignon every night.
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Old 05-10-2010, 10:34 AM
 
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To anyone from outside the area reading this thread; this type of argument epitomizes a large cross section of the region. Those who understand the intrinsic benefits of world class education institutions and why they are a huge assets and those who look at it and think it is a drain on the community because they have nothing to do with it.

There is a strange breed of people that come from NEPA what have this negative trait of always having a contrarian opinion when in realty, they do not have any qualifications to back it up.

I know your comment about Filet every night was a joke but it does say a lot. You honestly think this is a class thing...It is not. It is about progress.
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Old 05-10-2010, 10:38 AM
 
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Go Phillies,
Dont know why my rep wont work, but tried to give you some !!! This areas mentality is a welfare city , everyone wants, but no one wants to buck up for it !!! Take the tax paying businesses that moved into KOZ locations... KOZ should have been limited to NEW START-UP businesses, no pre existing.. Same for the "U" a bohemith that keeps gobbling up more!!!
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Old 05-10-2010, 10:41 AM
 
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Look Stash, no one is saying the University is a bad thing, but the facts are that this city needs them to pay a fair amount in lieu of taxes, they dont. All your spin on in kind, volunteer, the students buy pizza and support the economy excuses dont hold water.
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Old 05-10-2010, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Suburbs of DC
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Yale's endowment is also 16 billion dollars. So 5 million is chump change to them and I think your comparing the two schools is a bit unfair.
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Old 05-10-2010, 11:37 AM
 
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And the Universitys is $112,165,129.. they give the equivalent of 3 students tuition..pennies..!!!
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Old 05-10-2010, 11:47 AM
 
Location: NE PA
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I know your comment about Filet every night was a joke but it does say a lot. You honestly think this is a class thing...It is not. It is about progress.
I could care less if Pilarz or anyone eats filet mignon or TV dinners every night...I didn't mean it as an insult or class envy, I just meant that da U will not miss the money...they'll still turn a hefty profit.

I know Da U and Yale are 2 different schools, but if Yale can afford $5 million, and yes their endowment is higher and they have double the student population, I still think it would be a safe assumption that Da U could afford about $1 million, just 20% of Yale's contribution.
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