06-21-2010, 10:27 AM
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OTOH, I am curious, do drivers really manage 45MPH on the parkway at rush hour (if not going against traffic)?
65 is more like it until you get fairly close to either end.
06-21-2010, 12:29 PM
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I'm not a regular bike commuter, and don't bike that fast, but even I have noted the issues on the MVT with turns, tunnels, conflicts with runners and pedestrians. It is NOT a wonderful path for in shape bike commuters, go try most bike websites or forums to get there opinions. And yes, normally cyclists ARE allowed on roads with posted limits of 45MPH. If they can keep up 20MPH or so (IIUC) maintain appropriate vehicular rules of the road, and drivers behave appropriately, it can be relatively safe, and safer than a poorly designed trail, IIUC.
I never said anything about being allowed vs not allowed on a 45 mph road. I ride a bike and a motorcycle and understand that there is an inherent risk associated with both activities when it comes to sharing the road with 4000lb vehicles. I understand the cyclist's battle cry that cars don't own the road, but that doesn't mean crap when you're being scraped off the side by a paramedic.
For me personally, the motorcycle is enough danger on the road. I keep my bike on the trails.
06-21-2010, 02:13 PM
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On roadways where the speed limit is over 35 bikes should be restricted to pathways or bike lanes.
06-21-2010, 03:10 PM
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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Can someone tell these speeding and spandex-wearing "elite cyclists" to stop being so arrogant? I'm a regular distance runner on the Washington & Old Dominion Trail in the Reston/Herndon region, and I'm lucky if 1/3 of these "elite cyclists" WARN before passing, as they are SUPPOSED to do. One day the trail was so congested that I was run off the trail by one of these "elite cyclists" and twisted my ankle (and in typical NoVA "I'm better than you are" fashion nobody stopped to help). I can't tell you the number of near-collisions I've had running along the side of the trail, nor can I rattle off how many times I've been terrified to suddenly feel an object zooming by me mere inches away at 15 miles per hour or greater.
06-21-2010, 03:23 PM
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If they want something uncongested and flat, the elite cyclists should probably drive out to Warrenton and pedal to their hearts delight on 211 from there to Sperryville.
06-21-2010, 03:34 PM
Location: 5 years in Southern Maryland, USA
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A well-kept secret: look at a detailed map and you will see two streets called "West Boulevard Drive" and "East Boulevard Drive" running parallel to both sides of the Mount Vernon Trail. I have found these two streets a good, quiet alternative for biking. But, few people are aware of this.
06-21-2010, 06:06 PM
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I can't believe the anti-cyclist rhetoric on this thread , of course you don't want competition road cyclists on a crowded trail. The solution is to close down the right lane between old town and Mt. Vernon for only bicycles on Sunday so people can get a good ride in. You don't need two lanes for cars going down there. If it is popular close it Saturday as well. 27% of people between 18-24 are obese in this country, we need to encourage fitness, not sitting in a car with a big gulp and twinkie.
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06-21-2010, 06:46 PM
Location: Washington, DC
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Quote:
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If they want something uncongested and flat, the elite cyclists should probably drive out to Warrenton and pedal to their hearts delight on 211 from there to Sperryville.
By the way, that is a 55 m.p.h. road with no bike path
. Also, the hills impede clear lines to sight to obstacles ahead.
Me thinks your argument is that you'll be darned if you lose time on your drive due to yielding to cyclists.
06-21-2010, 07:07 PM
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Mrs. 14th & You
Me thinks your argument is that you'll be darned if you lose time on your drive due to yielding to cyclists.
No I just don't want to run over one or see someone else do so. If you can get the Park Service to go for the suggestion above to close down a lane on weekends (which could probably handle bikes going in both directions), I'd go along with it. Nothing to do with bikes but I'd also like to see King St. closed down to car traffic on the weekend east of Washingon St. to make a pedestrian walk.
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Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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