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Old 09-28-2011, 08:18 AM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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I so agree with this! IMO, the outdoor mall idea looks nice to people driving by but isn't as pedestrian oriented as you might think. IMO they actually discourage walking, rather than encourage it. As you point out, people are more likely to drive to the parking next to an outdoor store, but when they go to a mall they are more likely to park at one end and walk through at least part of the mall. And in rainy/snowly/cold/hot weather an inside mall attracts walkers who need to escape the weather. Will these outside malls develop Mall Walking Clubs? I doubt it.

We'e been to quite a few "life style centers" = Fairfax corner, reston town center, pentagon row, and some others. We love them. We like being outside, and dont melt in cold or heat. In rain we can carry an umbrella, and we can walk when there is snow on the ground - these places clear the snow pretty quickly, and there are few days here when the snow is falling (and thats a particularly lovely time to walk) We also find that when in a hurry we (and others we think) DO drive to the part of the mall we need. I dont know about mall walking clubs, never been in one, we find the whole idea somewhat depressing. My sense is that developers build them because they do pretty well in terms of revenue.

My mine gripes with lifestyle centers are A. They are so dominated by chain stores and B. They often do not integrate well with surrounding neighborhoods - but in those respects indoor malls are usually just as bad.

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Old 09-28-2011, 08:27 AM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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"The first phase in Vornadoís long-term plan for the structure is a serious overhaul of the mallís interior. This redevelopment includes a brand new food court, and over the next decade, Vornado also intends to build outdoor store space along Loisdale Road, office space and housing."

Sounds like they want to have some combination of lifestyle center and indoor mall. Interesting idea.
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Old 09-28-2011, 08:41 AM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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I'd like to know who "they" interview to decide that open air malls are better.

"Lifestyle centers usually require less land and generate higher revenue margins, often generating close to 500 dollars per square foot, compared to an average of 330 dollars per square foot for a traditional mall, according to the president of Poag and McEwen.[2]"
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Old 09-28-2011, 05:47 PM
 
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I worked at Springfield mall a long long time ago, when I was a kid in the 80s, it was all very fast times at ridgemont high-ish
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Old 09-28-2011, 07:34 PM
 
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That mall exudes an air of decay and danger, I hope the management is able to fix it through development. It's not just an impression. I personally experienced a potential robbery/carjacking there last year. Luckily, I was able to escape in time and thus did not report it to police, as I had no proof to give them. I have not been back there since.
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Old 09-28-2011, 07:54 PM
 
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I've visited there twice in recent months. Both times were pretty dead, save the food court when I arrived around lunchtime. The adjacent Target was so quiet, I could probably hear the proverbial pin drop. That said, I never felt unsafe there. Perhaps on a Friday night or Saturday afternoon, I might be pay more attention to my surroundings. At this point, I would definitely not go out of my way to head over there.
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